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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Matthijs,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You have a valid point, as is the point about unnecessary tags. I guess it’s up to you if you want to add name tags. Just bear in mind that the name tag is currently in use in Birmingham, but only for those stops which have the two character plus number stop name. You only see these on stop signs at major interchange points. Eg: <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.48209/-1.89488&layers=T">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.48209/-1.89488&layers=T</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Matthijs Melissen [mailto:info@matthijsmelissen.nl] <br><b>Sent:</b> 14 November 2013 10:07<br><b>To:</b> Andy Robinson<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus stops<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>I think it would be better to additionally use the name field, because that's the name that software can read. For example, when I search for bus stops around me, I get a list of 10 times the word 'bus stop'. It would be more useful to have the stop names there. Also, it would be useful to have the stop names on the transport layer. We can not expect international software to be aware of uk-specific tagging schemes.<o:p></o:p></p><p>In addition, the naptan data <a href="http://can.be">can.be</a> wrong, and in that case, the name field wouldn't duplicate the naptan data.<o:p></o:p></p><p>-- Matthijs<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 14, 2013 7:37 AM, "Andy Robinson" <<a href="mailto:ajrlists@gmail.com">ajrlists@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Since this information is already in the naptan tags why would we need to<br>add it again under some other, eg name, tag?<br><br>Cheers<br>Andy<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Matthijs Melissen [mailto:<a href="mailto:info@matthijsmelissen.nl">info@matthijsmelissen.nl</a>]<br>Sent: 14 November 2013 01:41<br>To: talk-gb-westmidlands<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus stops<br><br>Hi Brian,<br><br>> Generally I don't think adding names to bus stops adds anything to the<br>> map other than when it is an Interchange name- so they're the only ones I<br>name.<br>> Why? Generally because adding a name consisting of a street name where<br>> the street name is already on the map I consider to be cartographic<br>> clutter and totally redundant. Common names also tend to duplicate<br>> features that are already named on the map and so are not really<br>> needed. For transport applications the data is there to be used - no need<br>to add it in a name.<br><br>To be honest, I don't agree with you there. Tagging for the renderer (not<br>giving bus stops names because it would create a clutter) is usually seen as<br>a bad idea, and I believe that's the case here as well.<br><br>First, on the one hand the default rendering doesn't display bus stop names<br>anyway, so there it wouldn't become a clutter. On the other hand, the<br>Transport Map layer displays bus stops names on low zoom level, and street<br>names only on the highest levels, so there the bus stop names would be<br>useful to get an overview.<br><br>Also don't forget that we are not creating a map, we are creating a<br>geographical database. For example, you might want to ask your software for<br>the closest bus stop. It would be nice if you could then get the bus stop<br>name as an answer, for which the name tags are necessary. Or for example,<br>you might want to generate a list of all stops of a given bus route, for<br>which you also need the stop names.<br><br>Also, not all common names are named after features already on the map (some<br>are called 'middle' for example).<br><br>For now, I think the best scheme I can think of would be "StreetName,<br>CommonName". That would follow the name on the signs, except that we use a<br>comma where there is a line break on the shield.<br><br>-- Matthijs<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org">Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands</a><br><br>-----<br>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2013.0.3426 / Virus Database: 3629/6833 - Release Date: 11/13/13<o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2013.0.3426 / Virus Database: 3629/6833 - Release Date: 11/13/13<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>