<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 February 2011 15:10, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:SK53_osm@yahoo.co.uk">SK53_osm@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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On 03/02/2011 13:36, Tom Chance wrote:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 3 February 2011 11:51, Ed Avis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eda@waniasset.com" target="_blank">eda@waniasset.com</a>></span>
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I think automatically importing the OS data for areas where
OSM currently has<br>
little to no coverage - or coverage merely traced from Yahoo
imagery - is<br>
a great idea.<br>
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I agree.<br>
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I would be totally opposed to this bot sniffing around
Southwark, which we have got very close to 100% through a lot
of on-the-ground surveying. I would echo Ed's observation that
the OS road names have been much more accurate than the OSM
data, mind you.<br>
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For areas like Southwark with at least a few dedicated mappers
willing to alter their commutes and check roads, the manual
approach is much, much better.<br>
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But what about the Lleyn Peninsula in Gwynedd, north west
Wales? I've worked on Criccieth and the surrounding area for
years, some others have done bits in a few other towns, but
most of the county and the peninsula are still very bare after
5-6 years of OSM.<br>
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I don't see anyone nipping out on their bicycle of a weekend,
or altering their commute to work, to finish the basic road
network in Gwynedd. I suspect the area has a very low density
of IT/geo professionals. Most of the work seems to be done by
tourists, like me, who visit specific areas often.<br>
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If there are tools like the "no names" map and maybe an
"un-checked OS Locator copied names" map, I don't see the
problem with giving those remote rural areas a big boost. If
anything, it might make it easier to recruit the sort of local
mappers that can happily add a handful of local POIs.<br>
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Best wishes,<br>
Tom<br clear="all">
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Well this touches close to home.<br>
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My mother's family come from North Wales: many of the poorly mapped
places in the area either have family associations, relatives still
living there or other memories from family holidays or my early
childhood. You can look at places I've mapped in the area: some are
from short more or less annual visits to the area, others reflect
deeper meaning: the cemetery where my uncle and great-grandmother
are buried, the village where my cousins' used to run the post
office, the house where my mother holidayed before WWII, the open
land which caught fire and my father helped beat out the flames.<br>
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Llyn does have a basic road network (pace Richard). On top of that
the OS data is a poor substitute for exploring the rich topography
of Llyn, or for engaging people who already know it.<br>
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So why don't we try and find some local organisations which might
have an interest: the local councils may well log GPS traces for
their vehicles. There is a centre at <a href="http://www.eryri-npa.gov.uk/study-centre" target="_blank">Plas Tan-y-Bwlch</a>
run by the Snowdonia National Park which runs conferences &
courses. There is a university at Bangor with a CS department. There
is an incipient <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11800957" target="_blank">Welsh Placename
Society</a>. There is the <a href="http://www.rcahmw.gov.uk/" target="_blank">Royal
Commission</a> on Ancient Monuments for Wales which is in beta
with the <a href="http://www.peoplescollectionwales.co.uk/" target="_blank">People's
Collection Wales</a>. In most parts of England there are active
Welsh Societies (e.g,[1],[2]), perhaps their members would love a
talk about OSM and the chance to reminisce about the villages and
towns where they grew up. There are local history societies like
that for the <a href="http://www.nantlle.com/home.htm" target="_blank">Nantlle </a>valley.
There is the <a href="http://www.urdd.org/index.php?lng=en" target="_blank">Urdd</a>.
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In other words there are lots of people & organisations with
which we at OSM could engage, or we could just import the OS data. <br></div></blockquote><div><br>Or do both? Surely the guys at the Royal Commission on Ancient Monuments are not about to head out on bikes to survey the area. What they will do, possibly, is get the boundary correct and put names on the buildings but not until the road network is in place or it will look a bit stupid?<br>
<br>Another point... at the 2009 State of the Map there was a big 'ideas' session where I suggested that as one panned the map in OSM it should highlight at the side any relevant OSM wiki pages. So... as one panned over a town or a county it would highlight the page. As an alternative it could make an editor aware of the pages when they press 'edit'. These wiki pages could then be used to guide editors on local issues, challenges and preferences. It could include warning about out-of-date imagery etc. Current I suspect that few edits are even aware that there is a wiki page for Forest Heath and for Suffolk. Or indeed for Wales and Gwynedd. All wiki pages that are associated with an area have a map on the and that map has coordinates in it to allow then to be presented appropriately.<br>
<br>None of this is telling me that a bot should not exist. It is saying that it won't be welcome everywhere and won't be used by everyone.<br><br><br>Regards,<br><br><br>Peter<br> <br>Regards,<br><br><br>Peter<br>
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Jerry<br>
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[1]. <a href="http://www.devamedia.co.uk/cymdeithas/nottingham/" target="_blank">http://www.devamedia.co.uk/cymdeithas/nottingham/</a><br>
[2]. <a href="http://www.oxfordshirewelshsociety.com/" target="_blank">http://www.oxfordshirewelshsociety.com/</a><br>
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