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On 24/03/2011 16:01, Mike Harris wrote:
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Peter<br>
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I think the attitude of Councils varies a bit from place to place.
For example, two Councils (qua Highway Authorities) that I deal
with on a very regular basis both state that the definitive map
data is available for public use so long as we do not actually
copy the underlying OS base map.<br>
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By law all Councils have to make the Definitive Map (and
Definitive Statement) available for public inspection at their
offices.<br>
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Many Councils will also have various publicly available databases
that they have created themselves that are contain no actual
mapping at all (but might contain OS grid references rather that
latitude and longitude as a means of defining locations).<br>
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Congratulations on taking the initiative that you have, as greater
clarity would be most helpful in view of the fact that the Public
Sector Mapping Agreement is now in force.<br>
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Council contacts are absolutely clear that OS makes no claim to
PRoW data - they access it from the Highway Authorities in the
same way as anyone else and are allowed to put it on their maps
(although they add careful legal disclaimers as to its
non-authoritative status).<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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On 19:59, Peter Miller wrote:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2011 19:25, TimSC <span
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wrote:<br>
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lang="x-western">Hi all, <br>
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Here is part of an email I sent to a few councils
regarding rights of way data (footpaths, bridleways,
etc): <br>
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I have a big and fairly complicated request regarding
the definitive map. I am interested in making data
more accessible to the public (as encouraged by
central government [1]). It would be great if the
rights of way data could be released without
restriction, specifically the definite map. As you
probably know, the rights of way data is derived from
Ordnance Survey products which until now has prevented
this data being released without restriction because
of copyright. However OS will soon introduce the
Public Sector Mapping Agreement which defines how
government bodies can use OS products [2]. This
includes a new mechanism for public bodies to request
datasets that have been derived from OS products to be
release either licensed as "OS OpenData" or "Free to
Use" (section 2.5 of the license [3]). <br>
[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://data.gov.uk/" target="_blank">http://data.gov.uk/</a>
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[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/business/sectors/government/psma/"
target="_blank">http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/business/sectors/government/psma/</a>
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[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/business/sectors/government/psma/docs/psma-member-licence.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/business/sectors/government/psma/docs/psma-member-licence.pdf</a>
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Kent County Council wrote back: <br>
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Mr Sheerman-Chase <br>
Thank you for your email. <br>
I will forward your suggestions and comments to the
Head of the Service <br>
and Definitive Map Team. <br>
Kind regards <br>
Countryside Access Service <br>
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Does anyone have any ideas on how to actually get the
councils to apply to OS to exempt their data and release
it? Currently, I get the impression that they don't rate
data openness as a high priority - they just nod and
smile until I go away. It would be good to get this data
for quality assurance or even ... dun dun dunnnnn...
importing. Could we start a petition? Or use any
contacts the community has to make this happen? Any
other data sets worth liberating? <br>
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Once we have set a precedent, it should be easier to get
other councils to comply, because of the way the OS
exemption process works. <br>
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Technically I believe that the rights of way on the OS
mapping is derived from the legal documentation provided by
the council. As it happens I was talking to someone who was
in a position to know about this recently and he said that
the OS don't even claim ownership of rights of way data.<br>
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Also. my understanding is that Kent are particularly
proactive on open data. This youtube presentation is worth
looking at even though it seems to be about their map
interface. Clearly they are talking the talk on open data.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sparkdev.co.uk/showcase/show/open-kent">http://sparkdev.co.uk/showcase/show/open-kent</a><br>
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Here is another link. Carol Patrick seems to be the person
to talk to.<br>
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href="http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=9274627">http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=9274627</a><br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
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<br>
Peter<br>
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Thoughts? <br>
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Regards, TimSC <br>
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