<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I agree with Andy about increasing the number of mappers is essential. With Cycle map he has increased the interest in the cycling communities. Getting interest and publicity is very difficult. I can see many other communities that we could encourage to start helping us, from NHS to golfers but we have no organised way of doing this at the moment. Using a bot to replace large sections of data in the UK is going to be counterproductive or destructive, especially as the UK is now 80% (road name)complete. However restricting a bot by area to the size of small villages may help. I believe we can both encourage people to join us and use the a bot on small areas at the same
time.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Cheers</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>bob</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Andy Allan <gravitystorm@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SK53_osm@yahoo.co.uk<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 9 June 2011, 16:45<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot<br></font><br>On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM<br><<a ymailto="mailto:SK53_osm@yahoo.co.uk"
href="mailto:SK53_osm@yahoo.co.uk">SK53_osm@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br>> In order to get a better level of completeness in the UK what we need are<br>> more mappers.<br><br>Absolutely.<br><br>Everything we do should be focussed on helping get more mappers, or<br>helping the mappers we have get their jobs done more easily.<br>Everything that is a direct substitute for having more mappers is, at<br>best, a distraction from (what I see as) the desired goal. If we have<br>mappers, and lots of them, then - as we've now demonstrated - we can<br>get a glorious dataset.<br><br>Note that not everyone here shares the same goals - some people are<br>focussed on the data, others on the community. It might be worth<br>examining why we (collectively) have a tendency to discuss the data<br>all the time and I see very few discussions on community matters.<br><br>I find in most conversations, if the answer is "because we don't have<br>enough mappers
yet" then the solution is not to bypass them with some<br>form of automation but to get more of them. Unfortunately to most<br>OSMers, community building seems hard (which it is), and writing bots<br>or doing imports seems easy (which it's not).<br><br>> A bot is putting short-term gain ahead of our long-term interests.<br><br>Indeed. What's more, all the effort that goes into writing bots,<br>discussing them, justifying them etc is time that hasn't gone into the<br>primary goal of recruiting and helping more people to OSM.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Andy<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-GB mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>