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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It might be a bit over the top, but for pubs that make the CAMRA Good Beer Guide (or for some branches their local guide) lots of details have to be collected. See for example the key on this example page:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.tendringcamra.org.uk/pubdetails.html?uid=10856">http://www.tendringcamra.org.uk/pubdetails.html?uid=10856</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(there is an iframe or something to pull the middle bit from the Essex CAMRA Pubs database).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Things like nearest bus route and nearest station don’t need surveying of course, assuming these are already mapped in OSM.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The above pub may not have been the best example. Opening hours and Food hours often aren’t the same (opening_hours:food=?) – see for example<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.tendringcamra.org.uk/pubdetails.html?uid=10940">http://www.tendringcamra.org.uk/pubdetails.html?uid=10940</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>CAMRA members can visit <a href="http://www.hertsale.org.uk/essex/GetPubsByLocation.php">http://www.hertsale.org.uk/essex/GetPubsByLocation.php</a> and log in using their national login to see still more details which are generally hidden. Thing such as lat/lon, owner, tied or not, licensee, licensing area, Good Beer Guide years, who did the survey (not logged in you only see survey date), and some remarks which are usually used to store news about pubs closing, reopening, changing hands, poor service, or whatever. These regional database sites are due to feed into a national database, but I’ve not heard how that is progressing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brian Prangle [mailto:bprangle@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 04 November 2011 08:58<br><b>To:</b> Andy Robinson<br><b>Cc:</b> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi everyone<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks to everyone who made suggestions. If we can build on Graham's initial efforts I think we can get a great map and do some some interesting surveying with an incentive to get people out mapping! As a first pass on a tagging scheme can I suggest we follow the wiki page at <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brewery">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brewery</a> for showing which beers are on sale at pubs ( i.e NOT guest beers)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and that we encourage the use of the extra tags suggested on the wiki page for pubs<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpub">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpub</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We can also make us of the microbrewey tag described on <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:microbrewery%3Dyes">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:microbrewery%3Dyes</a> for those places that only sell their beer on their own premises.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Using that as a basis we could tag<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>building=distillery<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>building=brewery<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>building=cider_press<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>building=perry_press<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(that should remove any spurious entries like "Brewery Apartments" if we just do a search on names)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For specialist off-licences which sell real ale we could use the realale tag from the pub wiki page<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Some breweries don't have visiting facilities so we need a tag to describe this. Any suggestions? Opening hours could do it maybe?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To cover all these establishments should we have an "industry sector" tag industry=alcohol or commercial=alcohol? Perhaps alcoholic_beverage would be better to distinguish it from industrial alcohol?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>How to distinguish real ale from industrial mass market breweries?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>How to list awards e.g CAMRA Pub of the Year 2010<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Once we can get a consensus I can get a wiki page up within the UK projects section<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Brian<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-GB mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>