Hi everyone<div><br></div><div>Just dome some armchair mapping in Hereford where the HP Bulmer site is a massive industrial complex so I don't think ciderhouse or press or mill is somehow appropriate so I've labelled it industrial=brewery for the meantime. Perhaps we should also have industrial=cider? The Bulmers site in tagQueries which is in Ireland will probably be the same (and possibly Magners - but that might come out of the Bulmers Irish site)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Brian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 November 2011 14:07, Richard Fairhurst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard@systemed.net">richard@systemed.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">Steve Doerr wrote:<br>
> The Oxford English Dictionary got it wrong then:<br>
</div>> *cider-house* n. a building in which cider is made.<br>
<br>
Far be it for me to criticise the august OED (though I'm more of a Chambers<br>
man), but yes, it did.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.thecoronationtap.com/" target="_blank">http://www.thecoronationtap.com/</a> - "Clifton's original, and still it's only,<br>
ciderhouse"<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.ukcider.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Cider_house" target="_blank">http://www.ukcider.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Cider_house</a> - "A Cider House is like<br>
a pub that serves only cider. They used to be quite common, but there are<br>
only a handful left. Often they were little more than a room in a farmhouse<br>
or cottage, selling cider for consumption on the premises."<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.bristolciderhouse.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.bristolciderhouse.co.uk/</a><br>
<br>
and perhaps the definitive description, by the late Paul Gunningham at<br>
<a href="http://www.somersetmade.co.uk/oldscrump/ciderhouses-ciderbar.php" target="_blank">http://www.somersetmade.co.uk/oldscrump/ciderhouses-ciderbar.php</a> :<br>
<br>
"Ye Olde Cider Bar in Newton Abbot, Devon, England is a very special place<br>
for scrumpy users; special because it is a surviving example of a rarity<br>
whose numbers have dwindled over the centuries: the cider house. As the name<br>
implies, this is a bar that sells cider to the public, but a cider house is<br>
not a pub - maybe most (if not all) pubs these days sell some form of cider<br>
(even though most only sell the inferior keg variety), but a cider house<br>
definitely does not sell any beer!<br>
<br>
"Once upon a time there was a large number of alehouses in England, selling<br>
only ale (beer) to the public, and similarly there were many cider houses<br>
dispensing cider to their thirsty patrons. Over the years, alehouses became<br>
public houses selling a wider range of drinks than just beer - wines and<br>
spirits included. Meanwhile, many former cider houses became pubs, with the<br>
result that today we expect our pubs to sell just about any form of<br>
alcoholic drink, as well as soft drinks.<br>
<br>
"At the last count, there were only four surviving cider houses in England -<br>
in the whole of Britain, for that matter. One of these extremely rare and<br>
special places is this cider house in Devon - Ye Olde Cider Bar in the<br>
market town of Newton Abbot on the scenic River Teign, between historic<br>
Exeter and the tourist resort of Torquay."<br>
<br>
and so on.<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
Richard<br>
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