<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div>I won't comment on the Gibraltar issue, but I do have to say I am highly suspect of the author of one of these articles. With articles such as "Wikipedia will fail in five years", and another "Wikipedia will fail in *four* years", he comes across as someone who, for one reason or another, has an axe to grind about open source projects.</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: lucida console, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Baker <rovastar@hotmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> ajrlists@gmail.com; nomoregrapes@googlemail.com; chippy2005@gmail.com; shaun@shaunmcdonald.me.uk
<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, 6 October 2012, 20:25<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Talk-GB] Gibraltar - Mapping Party?<br> </font> </div> <br><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv1772770376">
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<br>Maybe no-one cares but Roger was paid ($80,000 apparently) to create articles and promote Gibraltar.<br><br>I see this is part of that. Promote Gibraltar by linking it to OSM, get on the OSM wiki pages, etc, etc.<br><br>Personally I do feel uneasy working on crowded sourced/open sourced projects on the request of others that are paid to do it.<br><br>I would have thought they could at least chip in for the flights, accomadation, etc<br><br>http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2012/10/05/wikipedias-pay-for-play-scandal-highlights-wikipedias-vulnerabilities/<br>http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/09/20/roger_bamkin_gibraltor_s_repeated_appearance_on_did_you_know_provkes_existential_crisis_for_wikipedia_.html<br><br>Just want to let people know the score beforehand.<br><br><div><div id="yiv1772770376SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="yiv1772770376stopSpelling">From: ajrlists@gmail.com<br>To: nomoregrapes@googlemail.com; chippy2005@gmail.com;
shaun@shaunmcdonald.me.uk<br>Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:31:30 +0100<br>CC: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gibraltar - Mapping Party?<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="yiv1772770376ecxWordSection1"><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Sounds like there is a the comings together of interest for perhaps early in the New Year? I’ll communicate that back to Roger and see where we go. I think he’s looking for OSM to organise themselves but I’ll get confirmation of what accommodation was on offer and what, if any, strings are attached with going at their request.</span></div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Cheers</span></div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Andy</span></div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm
0cm 4.0pt;"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> Gregory [mailto:nomoregrapes@googlemail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 05 October 2012 13:26<br><b>To:</b> Tim Waters<br><b>Cc:</b> Andy Robinson; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Gibraltar - Mapping Party?</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal">"<span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:white;">basic accommodation in an old fort might be available free of charge"</span></div><div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222;">You've got me listening.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222;">But advance notice and doing it after
Christmas is more likely to work for me.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222;">I presume this would end up as an Isle of Wight type exercise. Make a really good example(buildings & addressing) and cover the whole land in a short time.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222;">Then if we finished earlier than planned we could pop over to Spain for the remaining days and stay in Gibraltar, or if people planned to stay longer & arranged their own accommodation then Spain mapping could be planned too.<br></span><br clear="all"></div><div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal"> </div></div><div class="yiv1772770376ecxMsoNormal">-- <br>Gregory<br><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:osm@livingwithdragons.com"
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