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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Which is why I’ve asked Roger if there any strings attached. If we are free to run a normal OSM mapping party and improve our mapping while making use of some free accommodation then I just see it as an opportunity. What Roger is up to under his contract is up to him.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The politics of Gibraltar, in all its guises, is another matter ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve not heard back from Roger yet. Will update once I have.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Whitelegg [mailto:nick_whitelegg@yahoo.co.uk] <br><b>Sent:</b> 07 October 2012 09:41<br><b>To:</b> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Gibraltar - Mapping Party?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Lucida Console";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Lucida Console";color:black'>I won't comment on the Gibraltar issue, but I do have to say I am highly suspect of the author of one of these articles. With articles such as "Wikipedia will fail in five years", and another "Wikipedia will fail in *four* years", he comes across as someone who, for one reason or another, has an axe to grind about open source projects.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Lucida Console";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> John Baker <<a href="mailto:rovastar@hotmail.com">rovastar@hotmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ajrlists@gmail.com">ajrlists@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:nomoregrapes@googlemail.com">nomoregrapes@googlemail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:chippy2005@gmail.com">chippy2005@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:shaun@shaunmcdonald.me.uk">shaun@shaunmcdonald.me.uk</a> <br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 6 October 2012, 20:25<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Gibraltar - Mapping Party?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1772770376><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>Maybe no-one cares but Roger was paid ($80,000 apparently) to create articles and promote Gibraltar.<br><br>I see this is part of that. Promote Gibraltar by linking it to OSM, get on the OSM wiki pages, etc, etc.<br><br>Personally I do feel uneasy working on crowded sourced/open sourced projects on the request of others that are paid to do it.<br><br>I would have thought they could at least chip in for the flights, accomadation, etc<br><br><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2012/10/05/wikipedias-pay-for-play-scandal-highlights-wikipedias-vulnerabilities/">http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2012/10/05/wikipedias-pay-for-play-scandal-highlights-wikipedias-vulnerabilities/</a><br><a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/09/20/roger_bamkin_gibraltor_s_repeated_appearance_on_did_you_know_provkes_existential_crisis_for_wikipedia_.html">http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/09/20/roger_bamkin_gibraltor_s_repeated_appearance_on_did_you_know_provkes_existential_crisis_for_wikipedia_.html</a><br><br>Just want to let people know the score beforehand.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=yiv1772770376stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>From: <a href="mailto:ajrlists@gmail.com">ajrlists@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:nomoregrapes@googlemail.com">nomoregrapes@googlemail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:chippy2005@gmail.com">chippy2005@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:shaun@shaunmcdonald.me.uk">shaun@shaunmcdonald.me.uk</a><br>Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:31:30 +0100<br>CC: <a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gibraltar - Mapping Party?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Sounds like there is a the comings together of interest for perhaps early in the New Year? I’ll communicate that back to Roger and see where we go. I think he’s looking for OSM to organise themselves but I’ll get confirmation of what accommodation was on offer and what, if any, strings are attached with going at their request.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Andy</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> Gregory <a href="mailto:[mailto:nomoregrapes@googlemail.com]">[mailto:nomoregrapes@googlemail.com]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> 05 October 2012 13:26<br><b>To:</b> Tim Waters<br><b>Cc:</b> Andy Robinson; <a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Gibraltar - Mapping Party?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>"</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#222222;background:white'>basic accommodation in an old fort might be available free of charge"</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#222222'>You've got me listening.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#222222'>But advance notice and doing it after Christmas is more likely to work for me.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#222222'>I presume this would end up as an Isle of Wight type exercise. Make a really good example(buildings & addressing) and cover the whole land in a short time.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#222222'>Then if we finished earlier than planned we could pop over to Spain for the remaining days and stay in Gibraltar, or if people planned to stay longer & arranged their own accommodation then Spain mapping could be planned too.<br></span><span style='color:black'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>-- <br>Gregory<br><a href="mailto:osm@livingwithdragons.com" target="_blank">osm@livingwithdragons.com</a><br><a href="http://www.livingwithdragons.com/" target="_blank">http://www.livingwithdragons.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com/" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5809 - Release Date: 10/04/12<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list <a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-GB mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5815 - Release Date: 10/07/12<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>