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<div class="yiv779916431moz-cite-prefix">On 24/03/2013 12:46, Nick Whitelegg
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font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>1. Firstly I don't think I have
ever responded in a "rant" style fashion on the OSM mailing
lists before, but could you please qualify your insulting
first comment? Are you simply a troll, are are you simply so
pathetic and small-minded not to realise that a) Freemap is
a hobbyist project and is thus inevitably subject to
limitations in server power and b) any time I spend on it is
my own spare time, I am unable to work on it 24/7? If you
think it could be improved I suggest you check out the
source code at <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv779916431moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://github.com/nickw1/Freemap">https://github.com/nickw1/Freemap</a> and
contribute, rather than pathetically insulting and
denigrating a lot of hard work? I do You are the first
person I have ever launched a "rant" at in eight years of
contributing to OSM - well done ;-) Come back when you have
some positive suggestions as to how I can improve Freemap
without needing to invest more money in it, or when you have
some source code to contribute, otherwise....<br>
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font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>2. I always thought lakes were
simply represented as natural=water. Anything special about
these two which suggests they shouldn't? True, they have
islands in them but so does Derwentwater.</span></div>
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>Nick<br>
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>I didn't realise you were the creator of FM, but that wouldn't
change my opinion of your work. <br><br>I see. That's why I suggested troll to be honest, I thought it was a deliberate wind-up. If so, I apologise and take that suggestion back.<br><br>>Was it you who informed me that, for
some reason it intentionally doesn't display Bristol &
surrounds? How is a map that leaves >out chunks of data meant to be
taken seriously?<br><br>You could use the same argument to argue that OS maps should not be taken seriously because they do not show France. Or IGN maps should not be taken seriously because they don't show the UK. Freemap is not claming to be a "map of all the UK" but just parts. If some part is missing, that's just the way it is. Don't use it. But don't publicly use aggressive forms of criticism like "it's a joke" on public mailing lists. <br><br>FYI the reason why the whole of the UK is not there is because I do not have the necessary RAM and disc space on the server to handle it. Such things cost money. I earn nothing providing it. <br><br>>How long has FM been going? 3/4 years? in my
experience of (trying) to use it I would say it's actually got more
unusable over >that time. I've always thought the "why don't you help
then" counter argument as weak. You put it out there, you have to
take the >criticisms. <br><br>Constructive suggestions of improvement, yes. Cheap insults, no. Freemap is a hobby project, it never offers the sort of guarantees that paying customers would expect. It's something I do in my spare time. For fun. If you can't hack that, so be it.<br>
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>It has however, revised my opinion of you:<br>
>It's disappointing you don't understand the internet meaning of a
troll. In point two I was clearly giving you help, which, from your
>reply, you appear not to have taken.<br><br>See above - this was a misunderstanding as I thought you knew that I developed Freemap. I apologise again. <br>
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>I replied to you thinking you were a user of FM & wanted to
point out that it was not a stable platform to test the integrity of
OSM. >However as the creator of FM you must be aware of it's
limitations, so to use it as a basis to see if something is missing
in OSM is >foolish, & to then assume it's the OSM data that's
incorrect, is IMO, arrogant.<br><br>I checked Potlatch too and found no natural=water polygon on there, hence I thought it had been deleted, accidentally or via vandalism. Not just Freemap. I wouldn't have just used Freemap only to report a possible bug. <br>
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>"I haven't done a lot of work with multipolygons so I'll let someone
with more experience sort it out."<br>
>Brilliant. As that's the case, doesn't it stand to reason you
should: <br>
>a) Learn about the subject?<br>
>B) Check your own software first?<br><br>See above - was not just my own software. I actually thought the tagging had changed, to natural=lake or something. That was my initial thought. I wouldn't have mailed reporting the issue had I gone into the editor and found some other tagging.<br><br>Yes, I ought to learn about multipolygons, fair enough. <br><br>But I'm afraid that I still think it is very rude to use unconstructive criticism such as "a joke" on the public mailing list.<br>Running Freemap is a constant battle with resource limitations, I'm doing my best. I don't claim that it's bug-free or couldn't be improved. But you should also realise that it's a hobby and one of many OSM-related projects I'm working on in my own time. I'm not trying to serve paying customers.<br><br>And to put the record straight, it was the "joke" comment that made me react. If that hadn't been present, I would not have responded in the same way. These sorts of
comments can make people afraid to even release anything in the wild.<br><br>Anyway, I have no wish to continue this on the public mailing list, if you have any more comments please email privately.<br><br>Nick<br></div></div><br><br> </div> </div> </div></body></html>