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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Frederik,<br><br>Like I said before all these are not scripted/automated and I look for conflicts. I explained the process I used and that seemed to completed with your original post here. Are you saying now it does not? *shrug*<br><br>And I use both wiki pages and common practice, like I explained previously. <br><br>Are there any cases that I have changed where I have not?<br><br>John<br><br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div>> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:33:11 +0200<br>> From: frederik@remote.org<br>> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org<br>> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags<br>> <br>> Hi,<br>> <br>> On 25.04.2013 19:07, John Baker wrote:<br>> > The wiki is a consensus of opinion over the years about how to tag<br>> > things.<br>> <br>> It isn't. There have been more than enough cases where after *years* it <br>> was found that somewhere hidden away in a wiki page there was a <br>> statement that was absolutely not reflecting any kind of consensus. <br>> There are, regularly, votes in which Wiki users decide to "deprecate" <br>> some tag used by thousands, and replace it with something else - all <br>> that with 20 people participating and voting.<br>> <br>> We aim to make the Wiki a good documentation of our work in OSM, but <br>> where Wiki and practice diverge, practice rules. That's why before you <br>> take some wiki page and interpret it as code to modify the database, you <br>> are expected to discuss - to make sure that (a) the wiki page is right, <br>> (b) your reading of the wiki page is right, (c) the algorithm you are <br>> planning to apply has no unfortunate side effects, and so on.<br>> <br>> > To be honest I am less likely to engage in discussion about future edits<br>> > as all they will seem to end in is: always message the original editor,<br>> > always do a manual survey and you don't know what you are doing - all of<br>> > which I strongly disagree with.<br>> <br>> As long as you're making manual edits you can get away with a lot; <br>> people will assume that if you make a specific change then you have <br>> valid reasons for that (e.g. some kind of additional source rather than <br>> just an algorithm). Any sort of mechanical mass-edit requires discussion <br>> so if you don't feel like discussing then you must not make the edit.<br>> <br>> There's scope for widely accepted automatic or mechanical edits. Some <br>> guy in Germany removes, I believe, trailing spaces from names - but only <br>> in Germany because he hasn't discussed this idea outside. It is also <br>> very unlikely that you find someone who objects to e.g. automaticall <br>> yreplacing the mis-typed "highway=residentail" with <br>> "highway=residential". But even such simple things should, if applied in <br>> a wider scope, be discussed beforehand - out of politeless if nothing <br>> else, but also to avoid a potential flaw in your reasoning to go undetected.<br>> <br>> Someone once replaced all name=McDonalds with name=McDonald's, arguing <br>> that that was the correct name of the fast food chain but accidentally <br>> renaming a couple of totall different things that were really called <br>> McDonalds. A short discussion beforehand could helped to avoid that mistake.<br>> <br>> Re. your latest point "you don't know what you're doing" - my impression <br>> is that your attitude is "I know better anyway", an attitude that is <br>> problematic enough in mappers but becomes inacceptable as soon as people <br>> make large-scale edits.<br>> <br>> Bye<br>> Frederik<br>> <br>> -- <br>> Frederik Ramm ## eMail frederik@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Talk-GB mailing list<br>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org<br>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb<br></div> </div></body>
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