<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>I doubt if anyone checks the Naptan account: it's an import account largely to separate personal mapping from imports. Furthermore I don't know how active the user who co-ordinated the imports is these days: info is available on the wiki.<br>
<br></div>I don't think either OSM or NaPTAN ever came up with a satisfactory way of mapping hail-and-ride segments. If you search back in the archives we did have a bit of a discussion. I remember Andy Allan fulminating against a great rash of non-existent bus tops local to him in Putney, which turned out to be a particularly crass set of NaPTAN points.<br>
<br></div>The existence of a time-table attached to a lamp-post suggest that this a customary stop.<br><br></div>Ideally we ought to be able to mark hail-and-ride segments on the route-relation of the bus route (it's a property of the route not of the local geography), but can't quite see how to do it. It's something I stopped worrying about when the local council decided that putting bus stop signs up might get more people using the buses. It took quite a bit longer before the buses only stopped at the stops for setting-down.<br>
<br></div>Jerry<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:27 AM, OpenStreetmap HADW <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:osmhadw@gmail.com" target="_blank">osmhadw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">NaPTAN stops can be placed in one of the following categories<br>
(initially the not-verified one):<br>
<br>
- not-verified (imported but not surveyed on the ground);<br>
- verified (NaPTAN data has been correlated with a physical stop on<br>
the ground and the location adjusted, if necessary);<br>
- physically not present, customary stop;<br>
- physically not present and no associated stop.<br>
<br>
Near me, there is a hail and ride segment of a bus route, i.e. you can<br>
request the bus to stop at any safe place and there are, for some<br>
level of formality, no formal stops.<br>
<br>
On that route segment, there is NaPTAN data for a number of stops,<br>
which although it doesn't have local references for the stops, it also<br>
doesn't have a "customary stop flag". On the ground, most of these<br>
correspond to timetables attached to lamp posts. These timetables are<br>
not named, but you can deduce the name from the accompanying partial<br>
listing of stops and journey times. Some do not, and I think those<br>
actually represent the end of of the hail and ride section. People<br>
wanting to get on the bus, do tend to congregate at the time tables,<br>
to some extent. but they also get on at other places..<br>
<br>
My problem, which I've tried asking of the NaPTAN user on the<br>
OpenStreetmap itself, with no reply, is for the two cases:<br>
<br>
- time table on lamp post;<br>
- no time table, but probable end of hail and ride,<br>
<br>
should they be considered as:<br>
<br>
NaPTAN verified;<br>
not physically present, customary stop; or<br>
not physically present, not a stop.<br>
<br>
I've got a .osm file, sitting on my disk,with corrected locations,<br>
waiting for an answer to these questions before I commit it.<br>
<br>
(Actually, iti is really two back to back sections, as there is a real<br>
stop in the middle.)<br>
<br>
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