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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think the point Rob was making is
      that OpenStreetMap.org can't be all things to all men and neither
      should it attempt to be.  There are many many instances of OSM map
      data rendered in ways that appeal to various users, the
      OpenStreetMap.org page should show a generic map use with
      information and links to encourage new users and new
      contributors.  As a regular contributor I rarely go to
      OpenStreetMap.org, I approach the map data from other more
      specialised routes depending on my needs.<br>
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      I feel that the new layout is an improvement on the current and
      pretty well gets the balance right.<br>
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      Personally speaking I don't feel it would be a terrible idea to
      ditch the OpenStreetMap.org map and just have this page as the
      homepage:  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OpenStreetMap">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OpenStreetMap</a><br>
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      I don't believe OSM is about rendering maps, isn't it about
      creating a cartographic database?<br>
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      Jonathan<br>
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      On 17/11/2013 21:14, Oliver Jowett wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">On 17 November 2013 15:06, Rob Nickerson <span
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                              <div>To use the map I'd prefer not to have
                                that signup box floating around all the
                                time (I am only logged in when I am
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                <div class="gmail_extra">You could tick the stay logged
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            <div>I don't retain cookies between browser sessions.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">or alternatively if you want a
                  full screen map there are plenty of sites that provide
                  alternate views of OSM data. One such full screen
                  example is at:<br>
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href="http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=4&lat=47.63024&lon=1.75347&layers=00000000B"
                    target="_blank">http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=4&lat=47.63024&lon=1.75347&layers=00000000B</a></div>
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            <div>Is the response to "Here's a usability issue with the
              proposed changes" really "use something else then"?</div>
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