<div dir="ltr"><div>In my view the additional bit about "acquiring rights in the Information (whether the Information is obtained directly from the Licensor or otherwise)" is a clarification; not a change to the effect of the licence (when comparing the versions).</div><div><br></div><div>"You" applies to persons acquiring rights in the information indirectly under all versions of OGL. The additional wording in Version 3 just makes that explicit. Otherwise Version 3 would not be backward compatible with Version 2.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 February 2015 at 11:42, Michael Collinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@ayeltd.biz" target="_blank">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>></span> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>This is really good news and thank you
Rob for flagging it. Thanks also to the unknown folks at OS who
have been working on this ... it follows through on a promise made
to me in 2010 that they would look at.<br>
<br>
As cautioned by Rob, do wait until <a href="http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/licensing/using-creating-data-with-os-products/os-opendata.html" target="_blank">http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/licensing/using-creating-data-with-os-products/os-opendata.html</a>
updates before jumping into CodePoint data with abandon ... it is
from a not very open friendly third party and the OGL does allow
exemptions for that.<br>
<br>
I believe also that this will be good news for ?English Heritage,
(sorry, I live in Sweden), data users as it removes an ambiguity
over which of their data is covered by OGL and which by the now
retired OS OpenData license.<br>
<br>
On the change from OGL 2 to OGL 3, I am a bit less enthusiastic.
I sat down with a large cup of coffee, compared them line by line
and made the notes below. The thing to highlight is the change to
the "You" definition which does possibly shift some of concern
about the OS Opendata license into the OGL itself. The usual
caveat: IANAL.<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
The non-trivial changes between OGL 2 and OGL 3 are as follows:<br>
<br>
Insertion:<br>
<br>
"You must, where you do any of the above: acknowledge the source
of the Information by including <span><b>or
linking to</b> </span>any attribution statement specified by
the Information Provider(s) and, where possible, provide a link to
this licence; "<br>
<br>
This is good news.<br>
<br>
Additional wording:<br>
<br>
"If you are using Information from several Information Providers
and listing multiple attributions is not practical in your product
or application, you may include a URI or hyperlink to a resource
that contains the required attribution statements."<br>
<br>
This is good news, it follows practise that we have set up in
OpenStreetMap.<br>
<br>
'You',<b> 'you' and 'your'</b> means the natural or legal person,
or body of persons corporate or incorporate, acquiring rights <b>in
the Information (whether the Information is obtained directly
from the Licensor or otherwise)</b> under this licence.<br>
<br>
This could potentially imply that users of OpenStreetMap data for
the UK, for example to make a map, might have to additionally
attribute the OS, (or other bodies). Just being paranoid here but
I think it is worth following up. On the other hand in both OGL 2
and OGL 3 is this explicit statement:<br>
<br>
"These terms are compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution
License 4.0 and the Open Data Commons Attribution License"<br>
<br>
The wording of the latter is at
<a href="http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/by/1-0/" target="_blank">http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/by/1-0/</a><br>
<br>
Since the ODBL and Attribution License share common ancestry on
attribution drafting, then quite likely we are compatible too by
extension. But it needs some one to sit down and compare both
licenses. Apologies but I lack time these days.<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 18/02/2015 19:41, Owen Boswarva wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">(I should clarify that by "compatible" I meant
forward-compatible rather than interoperable. OGL data is
suitable as an input to a OdBL dataset, but not vice versa.)
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<div>-- Owen (@owenboswarva)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 18 February 2015 at 18:04, Jo
Walsh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:metazool@fastmail.net" target="_blank">metazool@fastmail.net</a>></span>
wrote:</div>
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<div>I asked @owenboswarva on Twitter who is an active
voice whom i trust on open government data issues,
and he said this:<br>
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<div>"IMO the only significant difference is v3
explicitly permits re-users to list multiple
attributions via a URI or link.<br>
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<div>...the differences are mostly just tidier syntax.
If you are happy v2 is compatible with OdBL (IMO it
is) then v3 is also."<br>
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<div> </div>
<div>zx<br>
</div>
<div>
<div>--<br>
</div>
<div>Jo Walsh<br>
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<div><a href="mailto:metazool@fastmail.net" target="_blank">metazool@fastmail.net</a><br>
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<div>On Wed, Feb 18, 2015, at 12:04 AM, Rob Nickerson
wrote:<br>
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<div>On 17 February 2015 at 23:57, Matthijs
Melissen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:info@matthijsmelissen.nl" target="_blank">info@matthijsmelissen.nl</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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I could imagine that OGL-3 has imported OS
ODL's clause on<br>
sublicensing that caused incompatibility
with ODbL, which would make<br>
OGL-3 incompatible with ODbL.Do we have
confirmation that this is not<br>
the case, i.e. that OGL-3 and ODbL are
compatible?<br>
<span><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><br>
-- Matthijs</span></span></blockquote>
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<div>All the OGL versions are online. A comparison
of v2 and v3 shows nothing to worry me.
Hopefully Robert W will chip in as he's clued up
on all this.<br>
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<div>Version 3:<br>
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<div><a href="http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/" target="_blank">http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/</a><br>
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<div>Version 2:<br>
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<div><a href="http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/2/" target="_blank">http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/2/</a><br>
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