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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Dave F. wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Considering CAMRA's What Pub? website is volunteer, crowd sourced, I was <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> mildly disappointed to see it using Google maps. I've just this minute <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> written an email to them explaining some of the advantages of using OSM.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Andrew Black commented:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> My concern is the quality of their location data - they suffer from the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> well known myth that a postcode defines the location.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Jerry added:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> The data in WhatPub should essentially be regarded as a commercial dataset<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> which has value for CAMRA<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On the other hand using an OSM base map ought to be a reasonable thing to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> do.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I'm on the CAMRA WhatPub email list and a couple of people have suggested using OSM as recently as August (I might have been one).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Quick summary:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Each branch maintains the data for the pubs in their branch area, so quality varies from area to area<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Each branch maintains their data in a system which isn't WhatPub (many use one of SPILE, HOPS or Pubzilla, though some have their own)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>There are mechanisms for sending updates to WhatPub (CSV import or API)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Our branch (Tendring CAMRA) uses Spile (and I maintain the data). When adding a new pub you can optionally specify latitude and longitude (I always do) most easily by dragging a pin on a Google aerial view. If these aren't specified than WhatPub will use the postcode as the best information it has.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I agree with Jerry's comments.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Dave also wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Ancillary data such as beer lists, food, opening times etc, is probably valuable to <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> CAMRA, but I don't see it as relevant to OSM. These sort of things change so <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> often, it's out of date almost as soon as it's recorded. Just a tag to their website is <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> needed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>If you do add a link, then you don't need all of<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://whatpub.com/pubs/MAN/9899/eagle-inn-salford">http://whatpub.com/pubs/MAN/9899/eagle-inn-salford</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>the ID is meant to remain the same whether the pub moves branch (if branch boundaries change/new branch is formed) and whether the pub name changes so<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://whatpub.com/pubs/MAN/9899/">http://whatpub.com/pubs/MAN/9899/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>will work even if the pub name changes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> However a list of just pub names & locations that could be checked against OSM database would <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> potentially benefit both parities. Pubs that are only in OSM could be listed in What Pub as a 'to do' <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> so encourage CAMRA members to pay them a visit. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I mentioned the WhatPub email list. One thread began because of<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="https://twitter.com/RealAleNet/status/626804090555621377?s=03">https://twitter.com/RealAleNet/status/626804090555621377?s=03</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>so it looks like at that time OSM had about 29,000 pubs (see below - that seems low). WhatPub's home page says it has details of over 35,000 real ale pubs (it doesn't show how many non-real ale pubs and closed pubs are also in the database)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I was trying to find out how many GB pubs/bars there were in OSM. Didn't Taginfo used to have a <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> option to just search the UK? It appears to have been removed. Is there another way?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk">http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>shows 35,387 amenity=pub<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Ed<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>