<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Thanks Dudley,<br><br></div>I loose track of the definitions you sometimes get in business, and to confirm we are looking for "aims" here. The objectives would be the "projects" I mentioned in a previous email.<br><br></div>The bit on "use" probably does need expanding as Robert W also mentioned it. If anyone has any further ideas please let us know :-) </div></div><div><br></div>Regards,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><b>Rob</b></span><br></div></div></div>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 January 2016 at 20:01, Dudley Ibbett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dudleyibbett@hotmail.com" target="_blank">dudleyibbett@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Rob</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It seems that if we are thinking about charitable
organisation we need to be careful about whether we are talking about “aims” or
“objectives”.<span> </span>Quoting : <a href="http://www.ces-vol.org.uk/about-performance-improvement/about-monitoring-evaluation/planning-for-monitoring-evaluation/aims.html" target="_blank">http://www.ces-vol.org.uk/about-performance-improvement/about-monitoring-evaluation/planning-for-monitoring-evaluation/aims.html</a>
“Aims are the changes you are trying to achieve.” and “Objectives are the
methods or activities by which you achieve your aims”.<span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My initial thought for an objective was:<span> </span>“To facilitate and encourage the development
and use of Openstreetmap in the UK”.<span>
</span>Although this looks like more of an “aim” according to the above.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I do think including “use” is important. <span> </span>There are clearly large data users but this
also works down at an individual level.<span> </span>I
started by using an OSM map on my Garmin for example before I then became
involved in improving the map.<span> </span>So
encouraging use could well lead to more development.<span> </span>I also think that using the map helps
feedback into improving the overall quality of development.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Personally I’m not sure about “increase the number of data
contributors” as a primary objective.<span> </span>I
know of a chair for one organisation that decided that this was very important
and ended up undermining the aim of the organisation.<span> </span>I also not that keen on “keep their
motivation”.<span> </span>It strikes me as quite a
difficult objective to achieve and assess the organisations success against,
given how many individual motivations seem to exist in the OSM community.<span> </span><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps we need to restructure this with aims and objectives
to achieve these.<span> </span>If we want to keep the
option of a charitable organisation open then presumably the aims will also need to
be “charitable”.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind Regards</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dudley</p>
<br><br><div><hr>Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:12:25 +0000<br>From: <a href="mailto:rob.j.nickerson@gmail.com" target="_blank">rob.j.nickerson@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>; <a href="mailto:rjw62@cantab.net" target="_blank">rjw62@cantab.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div dir="ltr">On 3 January 2016 at 16:45, Brian Prangle <bprangle at <a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Proposed aims for UKOSM:<br>>><br>>> The aims of (eventual name) are:<br>>><br>>> To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and keep<br>>> their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to improve<br>>> and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.<br>>><br>>> To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to use<br>>> OSM data or contribute data to OSM.<br>>><br>>> To engage in activities and provide services that are consistent with<br>>> achieving these aims.<br><br><br><br>Robert W wrote:<br>>I think those are all good. From a personal point of view (and to<br>>allow more flexibility if we want to) I'd also like to see:<br>><br>>* Something more explicit to allow the group to create / support /<br>>encourage the use of tools to improve OpenStreetMap data in the UK.<br>>(The first point above could be read as just focusing on the mappers,<br>>rather than the wider aim of improving the data by any other means.)<div><div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div>><snip><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Hi Robert,<br><br></div><div>I think your first point is already covered in Brian's first. As a general note (as I was getting confused whilst discussing this at the mapping event last week) the aim here is to get a high level set of aims. To test them you should ask yourself "does my project idea fit within the aims". In this case I think tools to improve data ("the project") would be one solution to the "keep them motivated [...] to improve [...] OpenStreetMap data" in Brian's first point. To use the earlier phrase Get, Train, Retain (or Obtain, Train, Retain if you prefer :-) ) then this would be part of the Retain strategy. Shout out if you disagree and I may be incorrectly interpreting.<br><br></div><div>Your other point on data users is a good one. I'll let others weigh in with their views but I was also thinking that "facilitate the [...} contribution of data [...] to OSM" is needed. This is the "promote the release of OpenData" but put in a way that also covers other data sets. I like your wording here.<br><br></div><div dir="ltr">Best,<br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><b>Rob</b></span><br></div></div></div>
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