<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Purely a personal preference, but I like to keep ref for thing which (generally) can be determined on a ground survey. I also like to keep separate genuine administrative references (such as the PRoW ones prow_ref, or minor roads admin_ref) separate from exposed system keys such as the edubase one.<br><br></div>For Food Hygiene (FHRS) data the equivalent internal identifier has converged on fhrs:id, but this was is in part because a number of other items of data from the Food Hygiene scheme have also been added within OSM. So I dont think this establishes any precedent for whether one has ref:supplier or supplier:ref or supplier_ref. Consistency would be nice but is not essential<br><br></div>If adding an edubase identifier, I'd also appreciate it if a FHRS one can be added too. These are certainly invariant, only changing when the premises change ownership. (I'm not sure what applies when school catering is outsourced, or if a school acquires academy status.<br><br></div>I must say I like the various suggestions for better micromapping of schools: this means that there is plenty to do even in well mapped areas. One thing I've always wanted to map, but have never noticed suitable tags, are the hard-surfaced school playgrounds. Clearly, using the existing leisure=playground is a poor idea as it changes the meaning of existing mapped objects; and also many primary schools will have a proper playground too.<br><br></div>Jerry<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 January 2016 at 12:42, Stuart Reynolds <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stuart@travelinesoutheast.org.uk" target="_blank">stuart@travelinesoutheast.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I was pondering that myself as I added the Edubase numbers to the schools that I have added and/or modified. I had two thoughts: one, we could just write a piece of free text such as “UK Edubase” in front of the ref; two, which is more elegant
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<div dir="ltr">On the ref=*. Is there any convention for indicating that the ref is Edubase? I've tagged Brighton Montessori with ref=133348 ...but how would an interested party know that they would be able to find more details on Edubase <a href="http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/establishment/summary.xhtml?urn=133348" target="_blank">http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/establishment/summary.xhtml?urn=133348</a> ?
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<div>I agree that where an object is clearly 'owned' by an authority/company/etc. that it is *the* 'ref'. e.g. postbox numbers</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">I’m thinking that while we are reviewing the schools, it would be a good idea to add the Edubase reference into a Ref tag for each school boundary polygon, to make it easier to track in future. Is that reference stable
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<div>If we think that it is a good idea, perhaps we could make it part of an agreed “do minimum” for this project. For example: </div>
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<div>I know we don’t want to be prescriptive, but it would certainly help people (like myself) who haven't participated in projects before ’t there was a (readily achievable) level of expectation as to what involvement in the project meant.</div>
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<div>Personally I have been adding in the buildings, but I haven’t been worrying (for now) about playing fields and the like - I’ll go back and revisit those if I have time. But there are a surprising number of missing schools so I have been looking
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This made me think I should set up a wiki page but I have been beaten to it. I've expanded on the page to add links to all the resources being discussed here. Page at:<br>
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<div>p.s. Big thank you to our wiki system admins who have now added the VisualEditor to the wiki. This makes it much easier to edit the wiki so no excuses for not keeping the pages up to date :-)<br>
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