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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/02/2016 13:15, Colin Smale wrote:<br>
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<p>According to Wikipedia, ...</p>
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... I wouldn't assume that what wikipedia says has any particular
relevance with respect to how something is mapped in OSM. The
language used in the English wikipedia is a mix of American and
English (and other) usages, and how things are mapped in OSM doesn't
always match "common [British] English usage".<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:2aa3ee1f6ec5d877bad862efa3241fed@xs4all.nl"
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<p>it is country-dependent. </p>
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That, however, is entirely correct. The Irish, for example have a
very clear idea of what their "cities" are. It's less clear on this
side of the Irish Sea.<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:2aa3ee1f6ec5d877bad862efa3241fed@xs4all.nl"
type="cite">In the UK of course it is a matter of status to be
called a City, and there is an unambiguous list of cities. </blockquote>
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That's the legal definition, not the OSM one. Perhaps you are
unfamiliar with the previous discussion, but this has been done to
death before. See these threads among others:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-February/thread.html#15867">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-February/thread.html#15867</a><br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-April/thread.html#15982">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-April/thread.html#15982</a><br>
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and particularly this post:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-April/015983.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-April/015983.html</a><br>
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which makes it clear why using the "legal city definition" might not
make sense in OSM _across the board_. It might in some places (it's
essentially what the Irish do, I believe), but I'd argue it doesn't
here because of e.g. St David's (see below) and Telford, which
despite its size doesn't really feel like a city to me - although if
someone more local says I'm wrong, I'll believe them.<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:2aa3ee1f6ec5d877bad862efa3241fed@xs4all.nl"
type="cite">This list can only be changed by the Crown through
parliament. The smallest city is St Davids in Wales, with a
population of 1841 (2011 figure). Any attempt to retag it in OSM
to place=village will probably be reverted within 0.1
nanoseconds....
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I'd be interested to see the history of St David's. The current
node<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=3712052604">http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=3712052604</a><br>
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was only created in August 2015; I wonder what it was before?<br>
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<p>.... but it is a point of civic pride for the inhabitants as
the council becomes a Town Council ... </p>
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A number of places _call_ themselves a town council, because they
can. It's pretty irrelevant to status in OSM. See Jerry's post
above (from that for example I'd call Bingham a town and Keyworth
not because that's what they feel like to me).<br>
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What doesn't work with city/town/village classification is someone
diving in and making lots of changes without explaining why; what
does is a bit of discussion first so that we know that yes, there
are still different opinions on this and that of the various options
XYZ tagging has the least oponents.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Andy<br>
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