<html><head><meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type" /><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">We are never going to get worldwide consensus on this, so let's stop trying. Just focusing on the UK situation, as has been mentioned many times before, there are multiple definitions of these terms, all equally correct within their own contexts. there is the legal definition, the people's definition, and the definition based on population. If we use population for place=*, how do we get the rendering to correspond to expectations? We will need additional tags I think.<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 February 2016 14:52:13 CET, Andy Townsend <ajt1047@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/02/2016 13:15, Colin Smale wrote:<br />
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<blockquote cite="mid:2aa3ee1f6ec5d877bad862efa3241fed@xs4all.nl" type="cite">
<p>According to Wikipedia, ...</p>
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... I wouldn't assume that what wikipedia says has any particular
relevance with respect to how something is mapped in OSM. The
language used in the English wikipedia is a mix of American and
English (and other) usages, and how things are mapped in OSM doesn't
always match "common [British] English usage".<br />
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<blockquote cite="mid:2aa3ee1f6ec5d877bad862efa3241fed@xs4all.nl" type="cite">
<p>it is country-dependent. </p>
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That, however, is entirely correct. The Irish, for example have a
very clear idea of what their "cities" are. It's less clear on this
side of the Irish Sea.<br />
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<blockquote cite="mid:2aa3ee1f6ec5d877bad862efa3241fed@xs4all.nl" type="cite">In the UK of course it is a matter of status to be
called a City, and there is an unambiguous list of cities. </blockquote>
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That's the legal definition, not the OSM one. Perhaps you are
unfamiliar with the previous discussion, but this has been done to
death before. See these threads among others:<br />
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-February/thread.html#15867">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-February/thread.html#15867</a><br />
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-April/thread.html#15982">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-April/thread.html#15982</a><br />
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and particularly this post:<br />
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-April/015983.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-April/015983.html</a><br />
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which makes it clear why using the "legal city definition" might not
make sense in OSM _across the board_. It might in some places (it's
essentially what the Irish do, I believe), but I'd argue it doesn't
here because of e.g. St David's (see below) and Telford, which
despite its size doesn't really feel like a city to me - although if
someone more local says I'm wrong, I'll believe them.<br />
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<blockquote cite="mid:2aa3ee1f6ec5d877bad862efa3241fed@xs4all.nl" type="cite">This list can only be changed by the Crown through
parliament. The smallest city is St Davids in Wales, with a
population of 1841 (2011 figure). Any attempt to retag it in OSM
to place=village will probably be reverted within 0.1
nanoseconds....
</blockquote>
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I'd be interested to see the history of St David's. The current
node<br />
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=3712052604">http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=3712052604</a><br />
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was only created in August 2015; I wonder what it was before?<br />
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<blockquote cite="mid:2aa3ee1f6ec5d877bad862efa3241fed@xs4all.nl" type="cite">
<p>.... but it is a point of civic pride for the inhabitants as
the council becomes a Town Council ... </p>
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A number of places _call_ themselves a town council, because they
can. It's pretty irrelevant to status in OSM. See Jerry's post
above (from that for example I'd call Bingham a town and Keyworth
not because that's what they feel like to me).<br />
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What doesn't work with city/town/village classification is someone
diving in and making lots of changes without explaining why; what
does is a bit of discussion first so that we know that yes, there
are still different opinions on this and that of the various options
XYZ tagging has the least oponents.<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Andy<br />
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