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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi<br><br>Many thanks for this. I take your point about the use of an OS specific term. It would be good to have a consensus on a suitable designation tag and an addition to the wiki on UK rights of way to cover its use. <br><br>As suggested, I will try and contact the highways department to see if they will confirm the actual access for this particular highway.<br><br>Kind Regards<br><br>Dudley<br><br><div>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:34:29 +0000<br>> From: robert.whittaker+osm@gmail.com<br>> To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org<br>> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Other Routes With Public Access<br>> <br>> On 13 February 2016 at 14:57, Dudley Ibbett <dudleyibbett@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> > I came across a paved single lane "road" on a recent walk that was sign<br>> > posted in both directions as a "Public Road" It makes a loop between two<br>> > "unclassified" roads.<br>> > Functionally, is seems to be a service route for an isolated farm that sits<br>> > at the top of the loop, although it would make quite an useful link road<br>> > between the two "unclassified" roads . I crossed it at the top of the loop<br>> > so I don't know what there was with regards to signs at each end. On the OS<br>> > 1:25 it is marked as "Other Routes With Public Access". Is there anything I<br>> > can infer from the use of the term "Public Road". i.e foot, horse, bicycle,<br>> > vehicle = yes/no? How are people tagging the "designation" of such routes,<br>> > i.e. are people using "designation=other routes with public access"?<br>> <br>> Routes marked by OS as "Other Route with Public Access" will most<br>> probably be routes that appear on the local Highway Authority's "List<br>> of Streets Maintainable at the Public Expense", but are not maintained<br>> to a standard for regular motor traffic. They will generally be<br>> Unclassified Highways (i.e. not an A, B or C road) and unless there is<br>> a specific Traffic Regulation Order to the contrary, there will be<br>> full vehicle, horse and pedestrian rights over them.<br>> <br>> As far as tagging is concerned, I would strongly advise against<br>> designation="other routes with public access", designation=orpa and<br>> similar. The "Other Route with Public Access" is an OS-specific term,<br>> and even if that status hasn't been copied from OS, such tagging may<br>> give the impression that it may have been -- which is not something we<br>> want to give or accidentally encourage.<br>> <br>> Instead, I would suggest that mappers do their best to determine the<br>> precise status of the route in question -- which is most likely to be<br>> an Unclassified Highway. Then an appropriate designation=* tag can be<br>> given (e.g. designation=unclassified_highway). Despite a route<br>> technically being an Unclassified Highway, if the route isn't suitable<br>> for general motor traffic, I would avoid tagging it with<br>> highway=unclassified -- as that would be misleading to data consumers.<br>> Instead I'd give it a suitable highway tag based on the physical<br>> condition of the route -- probably highway=track or highway=service.<br>> <br>> Appropriate access tags should also be used (access=yes if everything<br>> is allowed, and foot=*, horse=*, bicycle=*, motor_vehicle=* etc if<br>> not) since routers and other tools shouldn't be expected to translate<br>> UK-specific terms into access defaults. There are some more details<br>> about different types of Rights of Way and the implied access rights<br>> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rjw62/PRoW_Table<br>> <br>> To determine the precise classification of a road/track, you'll need<br>> the "List of Streets Maintainable at the Public Expense" from the<br>> local Highway Authority (usually the County Council or Unitary<br>> Authority). Some councils will have online maps of their Highways, but<br>> these will generally be derived from OS data, and so we're unable to<br>> make use of them. For details about getting hold of this "List of<br>> Streets" and permission to re-use it in OSM, see<br>> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/prow/council-docs.html . There's a<br>> (short) list of councils known to have given permission so far at<br>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Information_in_the_.22List_of_Streets.22_maintained_by_local_councils<br>> <br>> Hope that helps,<br>> <br>> Robert.<br>> <br>> -- <br>> Robert Whittaker<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Talk-GB mailing list<br>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org<br>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb<br></div> </div></body>
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