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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/03/2016 17:26, SK53 wrote:<br>
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<div>Earlier today browsing Pascal Neis summary of
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This is new to me. Is there a way find all changesets with my
locale?<br>
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<div>The disadvantages, at least to my mind, are:<br>
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<li>Non-intuitive. Certainly I have never thought of mapping
pubs this way, although I can see the point. I doubt that
a newcomer to OSM would find this the straightforwardly
obvious approach.</li>
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Discovering many new things are often "Non-intuitive" & doesn't
necessarily make them wrong. Given time to sink in they often become
'normal' <br>
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<li>Pubs are licensed premises. The premises licensed
usually relate to the building.</li>
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If that were true then wouldn't the beer garden need a separate
license?<br>
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<li>Where do we place tags associated with the pub premises
which may apply also to other parts of the pub property
(an obvious one would be opening_hours).</li>
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I'm unsure how common that would be, but it could go on the boundary
as the garden might be used for each instance.<br>
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<li>Peculiar rendering. In this case a pub icon in a car
park. Even if we fully accept "not tagging for the
renderer", let's consider how we can tell renderers to
improve icon placement. Andy suggested on IRC a label
node, but this implies a relation: do we want to replace a
simple node &/or area tag with a node, an area & a
relation? And then ask the Carto-CSS team to deal with it?
It seems to me that this pushes the bar too high not just
for inexperienced mappers but also those of us who have
been at it for a while. In the meantime the CartoCSS
rendering will look rather daft in such cases.<br>
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A location tag was discussed a few years ago, unsure why it didn't
catch on. It wouldn't need to be a relation, just a sub-tag of
co-ordinates on the boundary way. It wouldn't be compulsory, if the
co-ords weren't supplied, it would render centrally as it does now.
All polygon entities, such as schools, hospitals etc. render
centrally in precisely the same manner. In OSM things are only
difficult to do if their not explained clearly. Good wiki
descriptions are essential.<br>
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<li>Consistency. In general pubs will get mapped initially
as nodes over the pub building, and attributes on a node
easily transfer to a building outline + (usually)
building=pub. In particular the node & area centroid
will tend to be very close. Thus the two different ways of
mapping relate to each other in a clear way.</li>
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As has been pointed out by others, mapping pubs this way will make
it consistent with the tagging of other objects.<br>
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landuse=retail shouldn't be used for individual properties. It also
doesn't link the entities together. <br>
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I don't see the centroid of the area being offset from the building
as a problem for postcode location or routing.<br>
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IMO places of worship should also have an boundary tag to encompass
all ancillary objects operated by the organisation, but that's for
another discussion<br>
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Cheers<br>
Dave F.<br>
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