<div dir="ltr"><div>Let me know when the Council takes action against rowmaps. Until then it's just two conflicting accounts, neither of which is independently verifiable.</div><div><br></div><div>Barry can speak for himself of course, but I can't see that he owes you an explanation. </div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div>@owenboswarva</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 December 2016 at 11:53, Chris Hill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:osm@raggedred.net" target="_blank">osm@raggedred.net</a>></span> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Owen, I’ve seen that before, but it is at odds with my experience.<div><br></div><div>I have asked ERoY council to release their Rights of Way data under OGL repeatedly. I have asked by email, through their customer services web page, by twitter, by letter, by telephone, by asking my local councillors to help and every time they refuse, saying there is no need as they publish the data on a (copyright) map. There are various other Open Data requests against ERoY council, all have been refused. </div><div><br></div><div>When I spoke on the telephone I used rowmaps as an example of how they had already released the data under OGL. I was told there was no record of this data being released under any open licence. </div><div><br></div><div>This is why I tried to contact Barry to get an explanation and to strengthen my case. He has not replied to me.</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 21 Dec 2016, at 11:42, Owen Boswarva <<a href="mailto:owen.boswarva@gmail.com" target="_blank">owen.boswarva@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-3586865724757035884Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>The circumstances under which the East Riding of Yorkshire data was provided to rowmaps are set out here:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.rowmaps.com/datasets/EY/" target="_blank">http://www.rowmaps.com/<wbr>datasets/EY/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I've no reason to mistrust Barry's account. But there is obviously a provenance issue for other users if the Council as copyright holder has not confirmed the licensing publicly.</div><div><br></div><div>This is a case by case problem, as the OGL status of some of the other rights of way datasets on rowmaps can be confirmed via council sites.</div><div><br></div><div>I can't see that <a href="http://www.rowmaps.com/" target="_blank">http://www.rowmaps.com/</a> has rights of way data for Hull.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div>@owenboswarva</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 December 2016 at 11:32, Dave F <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:davefoxfac63@btinternet.com" target="_blank">davefoxfac63@btinternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Interesting. Under what license to you believe East Riding issued
the data that ROWmaps is using?<br>
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Row maps is definitely not based on OGL data. It includes E Yorks
and Hull data that both councils have explicitly refused to
release as OGL.
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<div>I have asked Barry for his sources and there has
been a stoney silence. If anyone has used rowmaps as a source
for OSM edits I would revert that edit. <br>
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On 21/12/2016 11:04, David Woolley wrote:<br>
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answer is "probably not", as it is unlikely that
many definitive maps are provided under such a
licence. If they are, they will almost certainly be
online.<br>
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It is also unlikely that anyone providing physical
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Could you expand on your claims please.<br>
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Why do you believe the data on <a href="http://www.rowmaps.com/" target="_blank">http://www.rowmaps.com/</a>
isn't OGL & the distributor wouldn't know?<br>
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