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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think I’ve used “fire_route” to describe these in the past. Or perhaps “fire_access_route”. Well you get the drift. Signage is often put up by the developer (for housing developments - where you often see these) so I doubt there is any common naming convention on the ground.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Paul Berry [mailto:pmberry2007@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 03 February 2017 14:35<br><b>To:</b> SK53<br><b>Cc:</b> talk-gb<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Fire Roads (Leeds, Nottingham, etc)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks again. I'll tag the textured paving as a barrier.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also, in the Leeds example I've given, cycling is not permitted because there is a No Entry sign at each end of the path. This is something that is also picked up on here: <a href="http://www.andypreece.co.uk/cycling/fac_leverndale.php">http://www.andypreece.co.uk/cycling/fac_leverndale.php</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Further browsing has revealed Fire Paths are actually fairly common in the Glasgow area: <a href="https://www.cyclestreets.net/photomap/tags/firepath">https://www.cyclestreets.net/photomap/tags/firepath</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You learn something new every day.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i>Paul</i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 3 February 2017 at 13:54, SK53 <<a href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">sk53.osm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I'd think that the rows of raised-textured paving can be mapped as a barrier, with access=emergency too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I'm glad that the photos I added to the wiki confirm my memory that "fire path" is the word used on the signs. Was wondering where I got it from.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Jerry<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 3 February 2017 at 12:20, Paul Berry <<a href="mailto:pmberry2007@gmail.com" target="_blank">pmberry2007@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks, Jerry. I thought the Nottingham features would get your attention :)<br><br>I'm surprised I missed the Fire Path page on the Wiki, but thanks for the confirmation that fire_path=yes is the way to go.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As for the textured paving, I'm not sure anything surface= or traffic_calming= matches it, so I'll not tag it.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(Out of interest, this Aberdeen one used to be a Fire Path, but the emergency/access tags have not been updated accordingly: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/124065409" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/124065409</a>)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i>Paul</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 3 February 2017 at 11:17, SK53 <<a href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">sk53.osm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Looks like a documented on the wiki: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fire_Path" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fire_Path</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 3 February 2017 at 11:15, SK53 <<a href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">sk53.osm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The tag that I have used for such things is fire_path=yes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>There are 4 uses of the tag in Nottingham and 2 in Aberdeen. There are several others not tagged (including the two recent ones you mention), for instance <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/43328389" target="_blank">this one</a> where Suez Street joins North Gate outside Port Said Villas (I wonder when these streets were built).<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The structures involved may be as illustrated by Paul. The older Nottingham ones tend to have a zone of the wavy block paving which is 10-15ft long and thus not a normal road in any sense. Other fire paths I've seen involve two locked boom gates.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Jerry<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2 February 2017 at 22:20, Paul Berry <<a href="mailto:pmberry2007@gmail.com" target="_blank">pmberry2007@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Fire roads are an uncommon sight in the UK. They're sometimes signed as "fire lanes," but they're nothing to do with the designation in the US (and elsewhere) which is a parking restriction: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane</a> and we're also not talking about the wide tracks in managed forests that act as a firebreak.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I mean restricted highways like this one: <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/240007969" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/240007969</a> (whose source links to photo evidence).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>How do we map these? I assume service=emergency_access?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also, how is the embedded roughly-textured paving in that photo best represented?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There are some similar ones in Nottingham, notably at Addington Road and Wimbourne Road there, though they're not mapped as such.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Your advice and guidance gratefully received.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i>Paul</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-GB mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>