<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Good to have you involved Stuart. Locally we're aware of CUS and HAR bus stop types.<br><br></div>We have elaborated a local schema for names which is detailed on the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edit_West_Midlands_NAPTAN_data#Process_Overview">wikipage</a><br><br></div>This suits us and TfWM but might not be to everyone else's liking<br><br></div>Basically:<br></div>Interchanges: stop ref (not sure of the NaPTAN nomenclature- but it has the format SN5 , BK3 etc.)<br></div>Non-interchanges Street Name/CommonName<br></div>Bus Stations: Stand X<br><br></div>Regards<br><br></div>Brian<br><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 February 2017 at 18:29, Stuart Reynolds <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stuart@travelinesoutheast.org.uk" target="_blank">stuart@travelinesoutheast.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>If you are updating the data in OSM from NaPTAN, then I agree that this is long overdue.</div>
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<div>For the benefit of others, can I just mention some specific stop point types that are in NaPTAN that editors may be unfamiliar with (and which I think have caused some confusion in the past):</div>
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<li>CUS are Custom and Practice stops. Typically ends of farm roads, lay-bys, etc where there is no physical marked stop. Given a need to have stopping points on the right side of the road, these are also used for the “other side of the road” stop
where there is a pole marked “buses stop both sides”</li><li>HAR are virtual stops denoting a nominal point in a hail and ride section. Hail and Ride is a bit cumbersome, but there is a virtual stop and it is linked to a start coordinate for the hail and ride section and an end coordinate. These aren’t supposed
to be long. Typically there will need to be one in each direction (as the start and end points are reversed).</li></ul>
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<div>Also, there is often some confusion about what name goes into which fields - people will insist on compounding names, for example, because that’s what their consuming system wants, rather than getting the consumer to read the data properly. But
that’s too much to go into here, and if reviewing the names is in scope then I would be happy to offer to help. One of my other “hats" is as the Public Transport Data Standards Advisor / Expert for DfT, which includes advising on NAPTAN.</div>
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We have an opportunity to work with the regional transport authority TfWM to update this data which is 8 years old and partially edited by OSM users. They have assigned 2 developers to work on this and I'm spending a half day each week working with them.<br>
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We've agreed and discussed this in our mappa mercia group and also contacted a prolific local public transport OSM editor who's not part of our group.<br>
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In line with the automated edits policy there's a <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edit_West_Midlands_NAPTAN_data" target="_blank">
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Comments welcome as this exercise might be useful elswhere as the state of NAPTAN data will be in a similar state<br>
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