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<p>Brian, isn't the geographical jurisdiction of the WMCA just the sum of the areas of the (non-) constituent members? How about using a relation containing the member authorities, with different roles to indicate constituent and non-constituent status? This model will allow for non-consituent members to be in multiple Combined Authorities.</p>
<p>Counties are never required in postal addresses these days - and where they were used, Royal Mail had its own idea of "counties"...</p>
<p>//colin</p>
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<p>On 2017-02-10 10:23, Brian Prangle wrote:</p>
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<div>Hi everyone<br /><br /></div>
I've just added a relation for the boundary of the new <a href="https://westmidlandscombinedauthority.org.uk/">West Midlands Cominbined Authority</a> (which is the same as the old ceremonial West Midlands County, which I've left intact as it's still used I believe where postal addresses still insist on a county and I can't think that the postal address for one minute is going to change to West Midlands Combined Authority). My question is how do I cope with non-constituent authorties? <br />
<p>Non-constituent members can sign up to more than one combined authority and have less voting rights than constituent members. The non-constituent authorities for the West Midlands Combined Authority are:</p>
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<li><a href="https://www.cannockchasedc.gov.uk/">Cannock Chase District Council</a></li>
<li><a title="Nuneaton and Bedworth" href="https://www.nuneatonandbedworth.gov.uk/">Nuneaton and Bedworth Borough Council</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.redditchbc.gov.uk/">Redditch Borough Council</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.tamworth.gov.uk/tamworth-join-planned-west-midlands-combined-authority">Tamworth Borough Council</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.telford.gov.uk/news/article/3085/councils_decision_on_west_midlands_combined_authority">Telford and Wrekin Council</a></li>
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<p>Regards</p>
<p>Brian</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 10 February 2017 at 08:33, Colin Smale <span><<a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br />
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<p>Hi Adam,</p>
<p>The trouble with the UK is that places don't have clear boundaries...</p>
<p>1) on the administrative side there are Civil Parishes, but large parts of the country are "unparished" and some parishes contain multiple "settlements"</p>
<p>2) Royal Mail have completely different ideas, which are for their own convenience and frequently conflict with the admin boundaries</p>
<p>3) (my suspicion) people identify with their location using other criteria - spontaneous answers to "what place do you live in" will show a great variation "around the edges" of a place</p>
<p>Not sure if the National Gazetteer (which focuses on addresses) tries to define boundaries to named places...</p>
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<p>All in all, if we have boundaries for places, they are going to have to allow for fuzzy edges and overlaps.</p>
<p>I suppose it all starts with "what do you mean by place"?</p>
<p>//colin</p>
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<p>On 2017-02-10 00:48, Adam Snape wrote:</p>
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<div>Thanks Phil,</div>
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<div>Our local place mapping must be quite primitive, because few place boundaries are mapped. Do you mean that both the boundary and node should carry the place=tag? Where there isn't a clear boundary to the place, should the mapper estimate it? Glad to hear I've been putting the nodes in the right place anyway :)</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div>Normally places are mapped with both a boundary and node.<br /><br /> A node is certainly needed for navigation and should be somewhere sensible, normally the centre is where someone who puts the placename into a satnav would expect to end up, rather than a housing estate in the geographical centre.<br /><br /> Phil (trigpoint)</div>
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