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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11-Feb-17 07:42 AM, Brian Prangle
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<div>I've removed the offending tags from areas I know
well,having walked them off and on for 30 years,i.e Snowdon
massif, Glyders and Berwyns. I've left the poylgons suitably
commented.<br>
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<div>Despite the problems of these edits (incorrect
tagging, bad polygons) more than anything they
reflect that OSM as a project lacks good tags for
many of these boreo-temperate upland features, and
whilst that is true there will be always be
someone abusing existing tags. I think most
mappers remember the initial thrill of seeing
changes come through on the main map style: for
some people it's probably still a primary
motivator.<br>
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I therefore think Brian's suggestions of working
collectively to map these areas better together
with a more in-depth consideration of the relevant
tagging is the way to go: and
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Correct? Possibly in the present conceptual mess of OSM 'landuse'
(amongst others). <br>
To me, "landuse' should be the human use to which the land is put.
And 'unimproved_grassland' is not a use to me, 'wilderness' might be
substitute for 'unused' or 'unusable'? <br>
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I think that the tag 'landcover' is far better to use for tagging
the plants that cover the land. <br>
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<div>I have compared several location in Wales with
my own photographs and the former CCW Phase 1
Habitat shape file, and acidic or neutral
unimproved grassland is the classification of the
majority of these locations. (I'm not sure of the
status of this latter data: my copy is for private
use only, but if it was released as Open Data it
would be very useful. One word of caution the data
was compiled over a long period and in some places
will be out-of-date.) <br>
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I'm always reluctant to delete stuff from OSM,
unless it can be replaced by something better.
Grassland tagging is a mess in OSM: let's use this
as an opportunity to improve it for OSM in the UK.<br>
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One last thing: I'm not very keen on calling people
out on a public mailing list. The nature of OSM is
that one knows nothing of many mappers (Frederik
talked about this at SotM-14): there is always a risk
of doing more than hurting their feelings.<br>
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In soccer (football to some) the saying is "Play the ball, not the
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<div>I came across glucosamine during the
farmyards quarterly projectwhere she/he'd
tagged place=farm to every group of
isolated buildings all over Herefordshire.
I think he/she means well just
misinterprets tagging conventions and then
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Might we tackle this task under the general
heading either of "landuse fixes" or
"uplands" as our next quarterly project?
That gives us some time to discuss
approaches, conventions , progress tools etc
so that we can hit the ground running so to
speak on day 1<br>
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21:35, Richard Fairhurst <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Boeringa wrote:<br>
> There may be more... All of these
"users" are prolific, leave almost<br>
> no changeset comments, and seem to be
editing all day. It seems<br>
> to me these are editors working
professionally for some OSM<br>
> related company.<br>
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</span>Thanks for the detective work and for
persisting with this.<br>
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I think it's very unlikely, however, that
these users are editing OSM for a<br>
company. Probably the majority of edits in
the UK are done by what you might<br>
call "lone mappers". Generally this works
well and people plough their own<br>
furrows successfully, happily modifying
their practice if particular issues<br>
are pointed out to them. But occasionally we
have people who (perhaps<br>
because of limited social skills) find it
difficult to follow established<br>
practice and co-operate with other
contributors. There have been several<br>
examples in the past and I'm sure many
regulars here will be aware of a few<br>
of them.<br>
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That's what I think we have here. I have no
knowledge as to whether<br>
Glucosamine, Dyserth and Sam888 are the same
person or not - it wouldn't<br>
surprise me either way. But they/he very
much fit the "uncommunicative lone<br>
mapper" model.<br>
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cheers<br>
Richard<br>
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