<div dir="auto">Option 3 appears to be the only way to map an asl or to signify its (rather their) absence. I don't think you can tag a combined (option 1) crossing node with cycleway=asl. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It's also more consistent if nearby road junctions are mapped in detail for standalone crossings to be mapped similarly. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 Mar 2017 16:40, "Brian Prangle" <<a href="mailto:bprangle@gmail.com">bprangle@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Personally I think it's overkill<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 March 2017 at 13:12, Adam Snape <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adam.c.snape@gmail.com" target="_blank">adam.c.snape@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks Brian,</div><div><br></div><div>That's what I'd observed to be the norm around here too. But, is the more verbose option to be encouraged because it explicitly notes the presence of traffic lights for road traffic (crossing=traffic_signals just means signals for pedestrians), or is it just unnecessary complexity (the presence of vehicle traffic signals could implied from the presence of pedestrian ones) ?<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Adam<br></div><div><div class="m_-173846109464796182h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 March 2017 at 12:55, Brian Prangle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bprangle@gmail.com" target="_blank">bprangle@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Adam<br><br></div>I think option 1 is the consensus way to map these, certainly so in the West Midlands. Option 3 is more verbose but not incorrect. Option 2 omits the salient feature which is highway=crossing and so is not recommended<br><br></div>Regards<br><br></div>Brian<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-173846109464796182m_6363127047266201413h5">On 9 March 2017 at 12:23, Adam Snape <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adam.c.snape@gmail.com" target="_blank">adam.c.snape@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-173846109464796182m_6363127047266201413h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi<br><br>I recently noticed this changeset comment: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46680980" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>changeset/46680980</a><br><br>It seems that the Wiki suggests three alternative ways of mapping a pedestrian traffic-light controlled crossing:<br>1. Entire crossing mapped as a node: <a title="Key:highway" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New" color="#0066cc">highway</font></a><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New">=crossing</font> + <tt style="background:rgb(238,238,255);white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><a title="Key:crossing" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">crossing</font></a>=<a title="Tag:crossing=traffic signals" class="m_-173846109464796182m_6363127047266201413m_-8784414165928577522m_7933563799373301985gmail-mw-redirect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:crossing%3Dtraffic_signals" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">traffic_signals</font></a></tt><br>2. Entire crossing mapped as a node (alternative): <a title="Key:highway" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New" color="#0066cc">highway</font></a><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New">=</font><strong class="m_-173846109464796182m_6363127047266201413m_-8784414165928577522m_7933563799373301985gmail-selflink"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New">traffic_signals</font></strong> + <tt style="background:rgb(238,238,255);white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><a title="Key:crossing" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">crossing</font></a>=<a title="Tag:crossing=traffic signals" class="m_-173846109464796182m_6363127047266201413m_-8784414165928577522m_7933563799373301985gmail-mw-redirect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:crossing%3Dtraffic_signals" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">traffic_signals</font></a></tt><br>3. Crossing mapped separately and tagged <a title="Key:highway" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New" color="#0066cc">highway</font></a><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New">=</font><a title="Tag:highway=crossing" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcrossing" target="_blank"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New" color="#0066cc">crossing</font></a> + <tt style="background:rgb(238,238,255);white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><a title="Key:crossing" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">crossing</font></a>=<a title="Tag:crossing=traffic signals" class="m_-173846109464796182m_6363127047266201413m_-8784414165928577522m_7933563799373301985gmail-mw-redirect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:crossing%3Dtraffic_signals" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">traffic_signals</font></a></tt><br>Traffic lights tagged: <a title="Key:highway" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New" color="#0066cc">highway</font></a><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New">=</font><strong class="m_-173846109464796182m_6363127047266201413m_-8784414165928577522m_7933563799373301985gmail-selflink"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,238,238)" face="Courier New">traffic_signals</font></strong> + <tt style="background:rgb(238,238,255);white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><a title="Key:crossing" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">crossing</font></a>=no</tt> + <tt style="background:rgb(238,238,255);white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><a title="Key:traffic signals:direction" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_signals:direction" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">traffic_signals:direction</font></a>=forw<wbr>ard/backward<br></tt><br>According to the Wiki (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtraffic_signals" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.or<wbr>g/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtraffic_s<wbr>ignals</a>), the latter is strongly recommended: <br><br>Historically I've tended to use the specific UK shortcuts eg. highway=crossing crossing=pelican but I'm happy to change if the consensus is that any of the above methods are to be preferred. I've never been happy that crossings aren't rendered with a traffic light symbol but have no wish to tag for the renderer. My worry with Option 3 is that some routing programs might view it as two (or even three) separate sets of traffic lights.<br><br>Any advice gratefully received,</div><div><br></div><div>Adam<br></div></div>
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