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<p>The problem with this is there are import guidelines which have
been completely ignored. Was there an email and discussion in the
Imports mailing list? Was there a wiki page to record and share
the process? How were the tags chosen? What steps were taken to
check the accuracy of the data supplied? Why was the import data
not merged with existing data (that was just deleted). Why was the
data imported with a regular user id not one created for the
import process? The imported data doesn't align with the existing
data - what's going to be done about that? <br>
</p>
<p>These are just the points I can see, before a broader discussion
has started.<br>
</p>
<p>Why do you believe that this is only a matter for the West
Midland group to discuss? This sets a precedent for any other area
to use. If this had been done properly this could have become the
go to example of how to use local authority data, as it is it is a
great example of how not to do it.</p>
<p>I am disillusioned that the newly formed OSMUK has a director
that just ignores the good practice set up across the world. Are
the aims of OSMUK to just hack off the rest of the UK mappers?<br>
</p>
<p>The problem is, I don't expect that anything will change. There
may be some bluster, some indignant emails hurled around but these
imports won't be reverted as they should be and the precedent will
remain. What a mess.</p>
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Chris Hill (chillly)</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/03/2017 14:03, Rob Nickerson
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAK4yQTn=NUhwD2soMetL=EenPCmidRP-qENYuguuDuJt_hd1iQ@mail.gmail.com"
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<div dir="auto">Hi,
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This was discussed at our monthly meeting, it
was then shared to the appropriate local list [1] and a post
about quality to Mappa Mercia blog [2].</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Brian has also been meeting with the data
suppliers on a regular basis (at times spending an hour a week
with them) helping to develop a strategy. Expert advise was
also sought on the tree data.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">So we have a data process that is supported by
the local community, shared publicly and covers a very small
region. Our community is also well established (10 years) and
experienced to make these decisions.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">My view is that appropriate steps have been
taken. Anything more would have been disproportionate any
suggests a desire to have OSM centrally run (which as we know
is unrealistic).</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Best,</div>
<div dir="auto">Rob</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-March/002127.html"
target="_blank">https://lists.<wbr>openstreetmap.org/pipermail/<wbr>talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-<wbr>March/002127.html</a></div>
<div dir="auto">[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2017/03/massive-release-of-highways-asset-data-in-birmingham.html">http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2017/03/massive-release-of-highways-asset-data-in-birmingham.html</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 Mar 2017 1:14 p.m., "<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On
19/03/2017 12:52, Andy Mabbett wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 18 March 2017 at 18:52, Brian Prangle <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bprangle@gmail.com"
target="_blank">bprangle@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'm off for a break and I'm leaving a couple of key
imports partially<br>
complete so I thought it best to give you an update of
where I'm at:<br>
</blockquote>
I'm told that Brian has been blocked for these edits This
is<br>
outrageous.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
No, he was sent this message:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1271"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/<wbr>user_blocks/1271</a><br>
<br>
because it appeared that the link between changeset
discussions and his email inbox was broken.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
There is clearly consensus for them in the local mapping<br>
community, and a well-defined and transparent plan for the
process has<br>
been published.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
That was one of the questions asked in changeset discussions
- can you please link to where the "well-defined and
transparent plan" for the "trees" import was published, and
where discussion took place?<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
A well-respected member of the community should not be
treated this way.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
No-one doubts that Brian is well-respected member of the OSM
community - few if any have put in as much effort as him
over the years. Unfortunately even well-respected community
members can have email filters go rogue on them - it's not
the first time that it's happened and I'm sure it won't be
the last :)<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Andy<br>
<br>
(cc:ing talk@ because I know there's been discussion,
including on IRC, outside the West Mids about the trees
import and as similar sort of council work is being
outsourced elsewhere, it's useful to discuss it more
widely).<br>
<br>
<br>
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