<div dir="ltr">I've been roughly following this thread, and feel I should add some balance.<br><br><b>As a director of OpenStreetMap UK,</b><div>If you have a point/discussion to make on that organisation or the collective of OSMers in the UK, please make another thread for it. Someone said it's not a good way to treat a respected/dedicated member of the community, and that may be right, in the same way some comments haven't been a good way to treat a new member of the community who hasn't any knowledge of import attitudes.</div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>As an individual,</b></div><div>I've not been to West Midlands pub meetups but had heard on some list about the NaPTAN update-import. I feel that a well-accepted import needs slightly-less process followed before an update, but it's still good to do some. As for the tree import, I've only heard in passing in chats. It would be important for that to go through the full import guidelines.</div><div><br></div><div>Neil, thanks for offering a next steps suggestion to keep this moving on..,</div><div>> <span style="font-size:12.8px">A (non-)apology that "other mappers' expectations haven't been met", and some retrospective mailing list notification, etc. is probably the safest way to go without opening the floodgates to future arbitrary imports.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I'm sure Brian understands the importance of keeping the community aware. It's difficult because it's such a big community with so many mediums. People who dislike the mailing lists are often good at informing the other mediums, but that's no reason for mailing lists to be completely ignored, especially as they can form a more permanent record of announcements. The import mailing list tends to have less of the negative comments/arguments people have come to associate with OSM mailing lists. I usually glance over it very briefly as most imports don't geographically-concern or subject-interest me.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Besides notification, shall we now focus on actual concerns/comments on the imports taking place?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">From the North East,</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Gregory.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 March 2017 at 22:01, Neil Matthews <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ndmatthews@plus.net" target="_blank">ndmatthews@plus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 21/03/2017 11:20, Andy Allan wrote (more than this):<br>
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I feel this is a politely phrased way of saying "we will continue to<br>
ignore everyone and carry on what we're doing already".<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Andy<br>
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My take from previous mails is that all you need to do to import data now is go to the pub and discuss it with local regularly active mappers.<br>
For some values of local/regular/active (possibly even at a county-wide level) this just might involve me mumbling to myself in the corner of my local -- and bingo I've met the requirements.<br>
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I think it's a bad precedent to set.<br>
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A (non-)apology that "other mappers' expectations haven't been met", and some retrospective mailing list notification, etc. is probably the safest way to go without opening the floodgates to future arbitrary imports.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Neil<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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