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<body><div style="font-family:Arial;">If you want to be exhaustive, you can add another spelling variant as alt_name: <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name</a><br></div>

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<div style="font-family:Arial;">For something as minor as St vs St., if there is no clear winner for a specific street, maybe match style of other streets around?</div>

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<div>On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, at 18:32, Colin Smale wrote:<br></div>

<blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family:Arial;">Agreed, however I don't think we should be fussy about minor typographic differences like apostrophes or full stops. There are often variations at this level from sign to sign. If one bit is signed "St." and another bit of the same road is signed "St" I think we should use a single style for the whole road, taking it from the longest length. We can never determine where the transition should go, and it is the same road after all, so consistency is good.<br></div>

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<div defang_data-gmailquote="yes"><div style="font-family:Arial;">On 17 July 2017 18:35:07 CEST, Andy Robinson <ajrlists@gmail.com> wrote:<br></div>

<blockquote defang_data-gmailquote="yes" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">We should be applying the on the ground rule of verification. As in, if looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then there is a better than average chance it is a duck. So if the road sign, church sign or whatever says Saint or St. etc then best to stick to that so as not to offend just as many people as those who agree it’s wrong!</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p><br></p><div style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span><br></div>

<p><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><div style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span><br></div>

<p><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Cheers</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p><br></p><div style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span><br></div>

<p><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Andy</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p><br></p><div style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span><br></div>

<p><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><div style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span><br></div>

<p><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">PS Other deities are available</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p><br></p><div style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span><br></div>

<p><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><div style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span><br></div>

<p><br></p><div><div style="border-right-width:initial;border-bottom-width:initial;border-left-width:initial;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-right-color:initial;border-bottom-color:initial;border-left-color:initial;border-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:0cm;"><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><b><span class="font" style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> Stuart Reynolds [mailto:stuart@travelinesoutheast.org.uk] <br><b>Sent:</b> 17 July 2017 13:45<br><b>To:</b> Talk GB<br><b>Subject:</b> [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."</span></span></span></span></p><p><br></p><div style="font-family:Arial;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"></span></span><br></div>

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<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"></span></span><br></p><p> <br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Hi All,</span></span><br></p><p><br></p><div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"></span></span><br></p><p> <br></p></div>

<div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">I have read and re-read all of the guidance and local rules relating to the use of abbreviations where it would be wrong to expand “St” into “Saint”. It is quite clear that, for the UK, “Saint Ives” is wrong, whereas “St Ives” is correct. There is also one page where I have found “St Mary’s Church” is correct, but “Saint Mary’s Church” is wrong. All of this I agree with.</span></span><br></p><p><br></p></div>

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<div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">The question I want to clarify is the use of “Saint” in street names. I think that is similarly clear that e.g. “St Nicholas Road” (with the full expansion of “road”!) is correct, and “Saint Nicholas Road” isn’t. But since the small handful that I initially came across in Great Yarmouth were last edited by an experienced OSMer (Rob Whittaker), I thought that it was better to check with the community than just change it.</span></span><br></p><p><br></p></div>

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<div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">A not-so-quick Overpass query (using a map which contained the whole of the UK, and hence Ireland and a bit of Belgium) tells me that there are 10,324 ways which are named “Saint *” which potentially need changing if we agree that “St *” is correct.</span></span><br></p><p><br></p></div>

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<div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">By contrast there are 26,559 ways that are named “St *”, and a further 7,252 that are named “St. *”.</span></span><br></p><p><br></p></div>

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