<div dir="ltr">Sorry I'm late to this thread.<div><br></div><div>OSM UK CIC, we posted this statement: <a href="https://osmuk.org/pinned/uk-set-to-benefit-from-the-release-of-more-geospatial-data/">https://osmuk.org/pinned/uk-set-to-benefit-from-the-release-of-more-geospatial-data/</a></div><div>Although it gives a viewpoint on the budget, the OSM UK community is not limited to the aims of the CIC.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Is the £80m even to free up OSMM?</div><div>I read it as... </div><div>a) £80m for the Geospatial Commission (for sandwiches during their meetings?)</div><div>b) it's *first* task is to establish *how to* open up MM, not part of the task to actually do that.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Some say this could be a victory for OSM UK, or...</div><div>It could be a victory for OS, and they pack up and go home, because now OSM will keep MM up-to-date?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>>From Newcastle,</div><div>Gregory.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 November 2017 at 14:06, Simon Poole <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>A note on the side (and maybe an angle to divert some of those
funds to something really useful): what has always struck me very
weird about open geo data in the UK, compared to practically every
other Western European country (even those with far, far less open
data), is the, in general, dismal aerial imagery quality. It is
not unusual to have at least nominal resolution 25cm/px imagery if
not 10cm and better in lots of places for larger areas.</p>
<p>In my experience (which is fairly extensive in this regard)
freeing up imagery is much easier than actual datasets and our use
case is rather exotic in any case so typically not seen as a
competitive danger.</p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p>Simon<br>
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<div class="m_400764689070083460moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.11.2017 um 12:22 schrieb Andy
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Indeed
Bob’s may be the best case scenario and I note perhaps the
more cynical view taken by the likes of Ed Parkes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
let out a little wee in my pants when I heard the budget
announcement. Geospatial doesn’t get mentioned much on the
floor of the house! So it’s an encouraging further nipping
at the heels of the giant.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Each
time I hear a welcome apparently positive announcement like
this it makes me pause and wonder whether the tail is
wagging the dog. The chancellor might be making funds
available but the campaigning to get it is not done by the
politicians but by those who feel it’s a worthwhile cause,
they needed to sell it. So what influences drives like this?
It’s easy to dismiss the role of OSM, in fact OSM may have
never figured in the discussion about this new money,
however I like to think we have influenced the marketplace
for geospatial data in the UK and will continue to think we
are (in our little world) the tail.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
that brings me on to the what next for OSM. Could it indeed
have the potential to be the end of contribution to OSM in
the UK? Fortunately I think not. We are unique in the
marketplace that we can react to new cheap technology much
quicker than the giants like the OS. Around the corner is
the prospect of the L1/L5 GNSS dual frequency exploitation
to bring us sub metre positional accuracy with a standard
smart phone. While the claimed 300mm accuracy is still a
long way short of the OS’s 30mm surveying target for
MasterMap products its getting us closer to being able to
verify the near precise position of objects, better local
rectification of the imagery we trace from and I’m sure lots
of other things I’m just not thinking of right now. If we
combine this with where technology is leading us –
driverless devices, autonomous drones, improved remote
sensing from satellites etc – we can expect the tools we use
today to add to and maintain OSM in the UK to be every
improving. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
believe there is another important point too. MasterMap may
be a great product today but I’m not convinced its fit for
even the next 10 years. Some of the industries that uses
MasterMap in the UK, engineering and the building industry
to name just two, are rapidly moving to a 3 & 4
dimensional BIM approach. The 2D MasterMap looks more like
an NPE sheet in the BIM field. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">But,
I hear you say, OSM is mostly a 2D product! Right! While we
may be winning the battle on getting the OS to open up its
data we may be losing the war if OSM doesn’t react to the
future direction of geospatial data. In an increasingly 3D
and 4D geospatial world OSM is starting to look like a
rather clunky model. If a new Steve Coast starts a 4D
mapping project and it gains initial traction would we jump
ship?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’ll
leave that one with you for the weekend </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Andy<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> SK53 [<a class="m_400764689070083460moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 November 2017 19:14<br>
<b>To:</b> Gervase Markham<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="m_400764689070083460moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The
twitterverse has been talking of nothing else.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Personally,
I will be very cautiously optimistic.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The best case scenario is one suggested
by Bob Barr:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal">OSGB changes it's business model from
pay-to-use to transaction based (a la Land Registry). <u></u><u></u></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">The £80 million (2 years at £40 million) is
used to cushion revenue & staff implications<u></u><u></u></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Master Map is then released under OGL going
on<u></u><u></u></li>
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<p>Perhaps more likely is a special free service agreement for
restricted classes of businesses (SMEs) along the lines of
PSMA (I blagged this point from someone else).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Even if MM is all under OGL I suspect OSGB would not
acquiesce to the current form of attribution on OSM.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Owen Boswarva's asks <a href="https://twitter.com/owenboswarva/status/933477244269481984s" target="_blank">if this would </a>mean the end of
OSM mapping in UK. A provocative thought.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Jerry<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23 November 2017 at 15:56, Gervase
Markham <<a href="mailto:gerv-gmane@gerv.net" target="_blank">gerv-gmane@gerv.net</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This sounds... vaguely positive?<br>
<a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-to-unlock-hidden-value-of-government-data" target="_blank">https://www.gov.uk/government/<wbr>news/chancellor-to-unlock-<wbr>hidden-value-of-government-<wbr>data</a><br>
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