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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Fife Council has their boundaries
available here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://data.gov.uk/dataset/fife-community-council-boundaries">https://data.gov.uk/dataset/fife-community-council-boundaries</a>
- but the licence information says "none" so probably need to get
them to release it under a proper licence?<br>
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On 27/05/2018 11:55, Colin Smale wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi <span>Saoirse,</span></p>
<p><span></span><span>As far as I have been able to ascertain, the
Scottish Government delegated the delineation of the community
areas to the councils, and each council seems to have their
own policy about open data. </span></p>
<p><span>In the case of Edinburgh, it looks like they require an
attribution: "This information is supplied under the Open
Government License v3.0
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/">http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/</a>).
The data was captured by the City of Edinburgh Council against
Ordnance Survey basemaps and requires the following
attribution statement to acknowledge the source of
information:“Copyright City of Edinburgh Council, contains
Ordnance Survey data © Crown copyright and database right
(insert year)”"</span></p>
<p><span><a
href="http://data.edinburghcouncilmaps.info/datasets/da44854d46c44a76b9b1160fc609738a_25"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://data.edinburghcouncilmaps.info/datasets/da44854d46c44a76b9b1160fc609738a_25</a></span></p>
<p>You might want to check with <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ</a> </p>
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<p>Colin</p>
<p>On 2018-05-27 11:54, S M wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi, thanks for all the responses. I have started
mapping community councils in Edinburgh. This link is useful
for anyone else planning to do so: <a
href="http://socprojects.napier.ac.uk/is/Edinburgh/"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://socprojects.napier.ac.uk/is/Edinburgh/</a>
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<div>I will hold off on adding area committees for now. As far
as I can tell they often coincide with community council
boundaries, which is helpful if we decide in future they
should be added.</div>
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<div>Saoirse<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 26 May 2018 at 14:32, SK53 <span><<a
href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com"
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<div>Adding such things tends to be down to local
mappers. The best source for accurate boundaries
is OS Open Data Boundary Line: this needs a little
experience to process well, but IIRC JOSM handles
it reasonably well.</div>
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<div>I don't think area committees, at least in
Argyll & Bute, have anything like the same
powers and responsibilities as English District
Councils (the main admin_level=8 grouping), and
technically are committees of the full council
just like finance, planning etc., rather than
being separate legal entities. (Such powers as are
delegated are mentioned alongside the basic
delegations to officers needed for effective
administration, see <a
href="https://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/sites/default/files/council-and-government/constitution-part-c_0.pdf"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">A&B's constitution</a>.
A good concrete example is that English District
Councils have Returning Officers, whereas the
A&B Returning Officer is the Head of Customer
Services.) Nor am I sure if the area committees
have any dedicated staff, although I find it hard
to see how they can achieve anything without a
minimum of secretarial support. <br>
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<div>I would therefore suggest these are not formal
administrative boundaries (in OSM terms), and
certainly the admin_level=8 should be avoided. We
don't do well in keeping non-formal admin
boundaries separate from other types of boundaries
(e.g., wards which are essentially a political
boundary determined by the boundary commission,
even if ward councillors may get limited budgets
and councils may align service provision with the
wards). </div>
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<div>As an interim approach I'd suggest using
admin_level=9, but I think we could do with a bit
more of a re-think of some of our boundary tagging
(the bodies with powers 'devolved' upwards, such
as the West Midlands Combined Authority (currently
tagged admin_level=6, but an anomaly), is another
case.</div>
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<div>Jerry</div>
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<div class="gmail-h5">On 26 May 2018 at 13:48, S
M <span><<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">llamaseat@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi, this is my first post on
this forum.
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<div>My question is: is there any reason
why community councils in Scotland are
not mapped? I ask because I do a lot of
mapping in Angus, and I was planning to
map the community councils for Angus
council area, but I wanted to check
first. These community councils do not
have as many powers as English civil
parishes and Welsh communities, but they
do have a few statutory powers.</div>
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<div>If they have just not been done yet,
I will get started doing Angus council
area's community councils, and I can do
Edinburgh's as well. They would be
admin_level=10 to fit with English civil
parishes and Welsh communities. It is
worth noting that Scotland also has
"area committees" which some council
areas (such as Glasgow, Aberdeenshire,
Argyll and Bute etc) have devolved
certain powers to. If these were to be
mapped they would be admin_level=8
presumably.</div>
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<div>Thanks.</div>
<div>Saoirse</div>
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