<div dir="auto">Hi all,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Forgot to add that if anybody has a Metropolitan Borough/Unitary Authority they'd particularly like contacting for their dataset/OGL licensing let me know and I'll contact them ASAP (at the moment I'm just working alphabetically through the English ones with Wales to follow). </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Time taken will depend on how cooperative the council is, some are much swifter than others.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kind regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Adam</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, 08:52 Adam Snape, <<a href="mailto:adam.c.snape@gmail.com">adam.c.snape@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi All,</div><div><br></div><div>As the quarterly project has just been announced I thought I'd provide an update on my progress with systematically contacting councils regarding PRoW data. I'm trying to get as many as possible released, up-to-date, under a clear unambiguous OGL3 licence and pro-actively published by the councils (thus removing the need to repeat the process a couple of years down the line. <br></div><div><br></div><div>As you can imagine it's a large task, so the time taken to do it and the speed of local government action means that in many cases results won't be useable until after the quarterly project. That said, progress so far is encouraging, I've checked or contacted all the county councils and I've started working my way through the Metropolitan Boroughs/Unitary Authorities. The responses I've had back have mostly been fairly encouraging (a minority less than encouraging!), I've had quite a few updated or new datasets, OGL licences and Open Data releases, some of which I have already sent to Barry at Rowmaps, I have a few more which I'll send in the coming days. Perhaps most encouragingly a surprisingly high proportion (albeit probably still a minority) have committed to proactively publish their data in the coming months. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Finally, In the coming days I'll update Rob Whittaker with my progress so that his PRoW OpenData table ( <a href="http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/prow/open-data/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/prow/open-data/</a> ) so that it can be updated.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Adam Snape<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 June 2018 at 09:10, Nick Whitelegg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nick.whitelegg@solent.ac.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nick.whitelegg@solent.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Whilst it's a wonderful resource and I think Barry has done a great job, the rowmaps site doesn't help with licensing clarity. There are quite a few references to unverifiable private email communications where the licence terms differ from the publicly
available terms. Any mention of the OGL is taken at face value even if when checked the licence is actually the OS modified OGL ie. the incompatible OS Open Data licence! Perhaps most seriously, rowmaps also relies on a misinterpretation of communication with
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<div>All of this matters very little to most users of rowmaps but for OSM purposes as we require ODBL compatibility we need greater clarity.<br>
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<div>Over the coming months I'm hoping to individually clarify licensing with all of the authorities which haven't explicitly, unambiguously and publicly licensed their RoW data under OGL3 (and, yes, I know that's most of them). I'll also try and get new or
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<div>In the slightly longer term I think our aim needs to be to persuade all authorities to proactively publish new versions of their data as open data, rather than individuals having to individually badger authorities to update their data. Under their Publication
Schemes they should start doing this automatically once information is supplied the first time, but it seems that only a minority of authorities who have released data currently publish it proactively.</div>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Agree about not copying the data verbatim from council data - am more interested in giving people a way to easily identify council paths unmapped on OSM.</p>
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