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Hi<br>
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To repeat, They do exist, but only as a record of old data, not
current. just as there's a record of Humberside & Avon. That
they don't get altered is irrelevant. <br>
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I disagree about their legality.<br>
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DaveF <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/08/2018 23:01, Adam Snape wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi, <br>
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<div dir="auto">Both Colin and Dave have repeated the
implication that the traditional counties don't exist. It's
very much arguable I guess, certainly successive governments
have made clear that they recognised the continued existence
of the traditional counties, and that administrative changes
neither legally abolished nor altered these counties.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Except that the "ceremonial counties"
actually do exist, and serve a function. They are
formally called "Lieutenancy Areas" and represent
the jurisdiction of the Lord Lieutenant as direct
representative of the monarchy. Their boundaries are
maintained by a different legal process to the admin
areas, and on occasions can diverge for a limited
period until they catch up with changes to admin
boundaries. And then there is the Stockton-on-Tees
anomaly...the borough is divided between the
ceremonial counties of Durham and North Yorkshire.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks Colin,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Yes, I was aware of how the ceremonial
counties are defined. I think if we're truly honest with
ourselves we don't really map them because lord
lieutenancies (as wonderfully arcane and obscure as they
are) are of any real importance, but because they provide a
vaguely sensible and recognisable set of geographic areas
that we can call counties. Certainly if administrative
importance were genuinely to be our criteria for mapping we
would be mapping all kinds of things prior to lord
lieutenancies.</div>
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<div>In practical terms lords lieutenant are historic, honorary
crown appointments and little more. If we actually believed
this was justification for mapping we could use the same
arguments for mapping the areas over which the royal duchies
of Lancaster and Cornwall perform various honorary and
historic functions (such as appointing the
ever-so-important-in-the-present-day lords lieutenant) and
exercise special rights. Incidentally their legally-defined
and extant boundaries are the historic/traditional boundaries
of the counties of Lancashire and Cornwall :)<br>
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