<div dir="auto">Hi,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't think it's for those who have mapped something in OSM to demonstrate majority support for its retention. I think it is for those seeking to have others' contributions removed to demonstrate a clear consensus in favour of deletion.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kind regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Adam</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, 16:38 Andrew Black, <<a href="mailto:andrewdblack@googlemail.com">andrewdblack@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Before we can decide whether to delete or document it we need to decide whether it is wanted.</div><div>Might a Loomio vote be a way forwards.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 at 15:42, Colin Smale <<a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I wanted to talk about the process, not the outcome. It is obvious there is not an overwhelming consensus one way or the other, and as usual the debate just fizzles out with no conclusion. If we do nothing, the data stays in the database because nobody has the balls to delete it, but it can't be documented for fear of legitimising it. <br>
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Is this the best we can do?<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 August 2018 16:27:58 CEST, Andrew Black <<a href="mailto:andrewdblack@googlemail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">andrewdblack@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>I agree with Dave F " It's still historic data, irrelevant to OSM. They are neither "current or real". That they will "never change" is irrelevant. They add no quality to the database.They should be removed."<br></div><span><div></div><p><br></p><span><p><br></p><div><br></div></span></span></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 at 12:58, Colin Smale <<a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<p>I agree, but where do we actually go from here? We have some options...</p>
<p>1) remove them all</p>
<p>2) leave them in the database and quietly ignore them</p>
<p>3) leave them in the database and document them, even though they are controversial, to say the least</p>
<p>Option 2 is least desirable IMHO, as we prefer things that are in OSM to be documented in some way, e.g. in the wiki</p>
<p>Given the "live and let live" philosophy that OSM otherwise espouses, maybe we can go for option 3?</p>
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<p>Or we get some kind of consensus that they are to be removed, but then I think it should be the responsibility of the DWG to make that determination, communicate the decision, and do the reverts.</p>
<p>On 2018-08-26 13:27, Dave F wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding:0 0.4em;border-left:#1010ff 2px solid;margin:0"> No, it's hasn't been acquiesced. It's still historic data, irrelevant to OSM. They are neither "current or real". That they will "never change" is irrelevant. They add no quality to the database.They should be removed.<br> <br> DaveF<br> <br>
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<p>It has gone all quiet here, and in the mean time smb001 has been making steady progress across England. I take it that means acquiescence to these historic county boundaries being in OSM.</p>
<p>I guess we should get smb001 to write up the tagging in the wiki.</p>
<p>Or is there a discussion going on elsewhere that I am not aware of?</p>
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