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<p>*If* there are used for looking up addresses, then there is some
very slight advantage to having them -- I still occasionally see
websites/people referring to Avon :-)</p>
<p>Neil<br>
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<p>On 26/08/2018 23:49, Dave F wrote:<br>
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To repeat, They do exist, but only as a record of old data, not
current. just as there's a record of Humberside & Avon. That
they don't get altered is irrelevant. <br>
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I disagree about their legality.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi, <br>
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<div dir="auto">Both Colin and Dave have repeated the
implication that the traditional counties don't exist.
It's very much arguable I guess, certainly successive
governments have made clear that they recognised the
continued existence of the traditional counties, and that
administrative changes neither legally abolished nor
altered these counties.</div>
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<div dir="auto">On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, 22:01 Colin Smale, <<a
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<div dir="auto">Except that the "ceremonial
counties" actually do exist, and serve a function.
They are formally called "Lieutenancy Areas" and
represent the jurisdiction of the Lord Lieutenant
as direct representative of the monarchy. Their
boundaries are maintained by a different legal
process to the admin areas, and on occasions can
diverge for a limited period until they catch up
with changes to admin boundaries. And then there
is the Stockton-on-Tees anomaly...the borough is
divided between the ceremonial counties of Durham
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<div dir="auto">Thanks Colin,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Yes, I was aware of how the ceremonial
counties are defined. I think if we're truly honest with
ourselves we don't really map them because lord
lieutenancies (as wonderfully arcane and obscure as they
are) are of any real importance, but because they provide
a vaguely sensible and recognisable set of geographic
areas that we can call counties. Certainly if
administrative importance were genuinely to be our
criteria for mapping we would be mapping all kinds of
things prior to lord lieutenancies.</div>
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<div>In practical terms lords lieutenant are historic,
honorary crown appointments and little more. If we actually
believed this was justification for mapping we could use the
same arguments for mapping the areas over which the royal
duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall perform various honorary
and historic functions (such as appointing the
ever-so-important-in-the-present-day lords lieutenant) and
exercise special rights. Incidentally their legally-defined
and extant boundaries are the historic/traditional
boundaries of the counties of Lancashire and Cornwall :)<br>
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<div>Kind regards,</div>
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<div>Adam<br>
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