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    <p>*If* there are used for looking up addresses, then there is some
      very slight advantage to having them -- I still occasionally see
      websites/people referring to Avon :-)</p>
    <p>Neil<br>
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    <p>On 26/08/2018 23:49, Dave F wrote:<br>
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      Hi<br>
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      To repeat, They do exist, but only as a record of old data, not
      current. just as there's a record of Humberside & Avon. That
      they don't get altered is irrelevant. <br>
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      I disagree about their legality.<br>
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      DaveF <br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/08/2018 23:01, Adam Snape
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            <div dir="auto">Hi, <br>
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            <div dir="auto">Both Colin and Dave have repeated the
              implication that the traditional counties don't exist.
              It's very much arguable I guess, certainly successive
              governments have made clear that they recognised the
              continued existence of the traditional counties, and that
              administrative changes neither legally abolished nor
              altered these counties.</div>
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            <div dir="auto">On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, 22:01 Colin Smale, <<a
                href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl" target="_blank"
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                    <div dir="auto">Except that the "ceremonial
                      counties" actually do exist, and serve a function.
                      They are formally called "Lieutenancy Areas" and
                      represent the jurisdiction of the Lord Lieutenant
                      as direct representative of the monarchy. Their
                      boundaries are maintained by a different legal
                      process to the admin areas, and on occasions can
                      diverge for a limited period until they catch up
                      with changes to admin boundaries. And then there
                      is the Stockton-on-Tees anomaly...the borough is
                      divided between the ceremonial counties of Durham
                      and North Yorkshire.</div>
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            <div dir="auto">Thanks Colin,</div>
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            <div dir="auto">Yes, I was aware of how the ceremonial
              counties are defined. I think if we're truly honest with
              ourselves we don't really map them because lord
              lieutenancies (as wonderfully arcane and obscure as they
              are) are of any real importance, but because they provide
              a vaguely sensible and recognisable set of geographic
              areas that we can call counties. Certainly if
              administrative importance were genuinely to be our
              criteria for mapping we would be mapping all kinds of
              things prior to lord lieutenancies.</div>
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          <div>In practical terms lords lieutenant are historic,
            honorary crown appointments and little more. If we actually
            believed this was justification for mapping we could use the
            same arguments for mapping the areas over which the royal
            duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall perform various honorary
            and historic functions (such as appointing the
            ever-so-important-in-the-present-day lords lieutenant) and
            exercise special rights. Incidentally their legally-defined
            and extant boundaries are the historic/traditional
            boundaries of the counties of Lancashire and Cornwall :)<br>
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          <div>Kind regards,</div>
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          <div>Adam<br>
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