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      <blockquote type="cite">Having said that, I still don't understand
        the objections to addr:town and addr:village. Can anyone come up
        with an example of an address where they wouldn't work? I
        normally don't care about names but locality sounds almost
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      To me 'locality' just sounds neutral. I don't particularly object
      to addr:town and addr:village, but it does mean we end up with at
      least three tags rather than one, because in cities suburbs often
      don't fit easily into those tags, hence the use of addr:suburb. <br>
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      <blockquote type="cite">Business parks and other campuses are not
        localities - their names are written before street names, not
        after them. <br>
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      In my experience this often isn't true, perhaps look at more
      examples. It is relatively common for business park and industrial
      estate names to appear after street names. <br>
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      Examples:<br>
      Lenton Lane Industrial Estate, Nottingham <br>
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      Trent Lane Industrial Estate, Castle Donington<br>
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      Sherwood [Business] Park, Annesley,<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Regards,</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Will<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/01/2019 15:06, Andrzej wrote:<br>
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      Is it possible to use addr:locality for both towns and villages?
      That could simplify things quite a bit and I have yet to see an
      address that needs a post town and two levels of localities below.<br>
      <br>
      Having said that, I still don't understand the objections to
      addr:town and addr:village. Can anyone come up with an example of
      an address where they wouldn't work? I normally don't care about
      names but locality sounds almost offensive. <br>
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      Business parks and other campuses are not localities - their names
      are written before street names, not after them. They're IMO what
      RM calls "dependent thoroughfares". For these I would simply use
      addr:place, which can already be combined with addr:housename and
      addr:housenumber. Alternatively we could make a new tag like
      addr:campus.<br>
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      Best regards, <br>
      Andrzej <br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On 28 January 2019 20:36:24 GMT+08:00,
        Colin Smale <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
          href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl" moz-do-not-send="true"><colin.smale@xs4all.nl></a>
        wrote:
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          <p>Hi Will,</p>
          <p>On 2019-01-28 13:19, Will Phillips wrote:</p>
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            <div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family:
              monospace"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Hi,</span><br>
              <br>
              I agree we need another tag below addr:city for
              localities. For this I have usually used addr:suburb when
              mapping in urban areas and addr:locality elsewhere.
              Ideally I think it would be best to have just one
              recommended tag, perhaps addr:locality, because having
              addr:town addr:village and addr:suburb seems too
              complicated. Eventually it would be good if editing
              software, in particular iD, could provide an extra field
              to enter the locality, and it would perhaps be easier for
              that to happen if there was only one tag. New mappers
              often seem to have difficulty entering addresses to the
              form that they wish and I think the lack of a locality
              field is part of the reason.</div>
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              For what Royal Mail calls 'Double Dependent Localities'
              using addr:sublocality is a possibility, although I wonder
              whether just sticking with addr:village for this less
              common situation would be easier. It depends a bit on
              whether this tag is only likely to be used for villages
              and hamlets, or whether it might be useful in other cases.
              For example, sometimes names of industrial estates appear
              in addresses in a similar way to sublocalities.</div>
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            <div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family:
              monospace">I don't see any advantage in "addr:village" and
              "addr:suburb" just because they sound familiar or are
              existing tags. What we are discussing here is a
              UK-specific solution. The (Double) Dependent Localities
              may or may not correspond to what people perceive as a
              "village" or "suburb". In the quoted example, "Cambridge
              Science Park" is IMHO neither.</div>
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              I only use addr:city for post towns, although I recognise
              not all mappers agree with this, and I appreciate there
              are arguments both ways. I was thinking about this
              recently when adding addresses in Lees near Derby. The
              post town is Ashbourne, but this seems slightly
              incongruous because the village is much nearer to Derby. I
              chose not to include addr:city and only used addr:locality
              for the village name.</div>
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            <div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family:
              monospace">I feel the main argument in favour of using
              post towns for addr:city is that it helps to keep the data
              consistent because what to use often becomes confusing
              otherwise. To use the example of Lees I mentioned above,
              it would be easy to end up with a situation where
              addr:city contained perhaps four values if the data was
              entered by different people without any guide as to what
              to use (the most likely possibilities being Lees, Dalby
              Lees, Derby or Ashbourne).</div>
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            <div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family:
              monospace">In cases where local residents consider Royal
              Mail's choice of post town to be contentious, usually
              because it is miles from where they live, it might be
              sensible to recognise addr:posttown as an alternative.</div>
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          <div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family:
            monospace">The accepted paradigm is that the address should
            represent the postal address, and not any administrative
            relationships. As you will know RM have their own particular
            ideas of the geography of the UK, all done for their own
            convenience. It would certainly avoid some confusion if we
            used addr:posttown instead of addr:city.<br>
            <br>
            <span style="white-space: nowrap;">Regards,</span></div>
          <div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family:
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