<div dir="ltr"><div>Given Stuart's professional knowledge in this area and the practice already established by some of you to delete these I think their days are numbered. Unless there's a huge protest to keep them I'll get started next week</div><div>In response to Andy's request sources for public transport applications will include any site run byTraveline (just google travel line) or by the major bus companies e.g Stagecoach, Arriva,Firstgroup, National Express, or regional tansport bodies e.g tfwm,tfgm,wymetro or just google uk bus journey planner. Or you could just use the fabulous(but unofficial) <a href="http://bustimes.org">bustimes.org</a></div><div><a href="https://www.realjourneytime.co.uk/">A related site</a> developed by Tom Forth from ODI Leeds displays dat feeds on actual bus times</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Brian<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 16:49, Ed Loach <<a href="mailto:edloach@gmail.com">edloach@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_4187256764211374696WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>The interactive map on the plusbus site, e.g. <a href="http://www.plusbus.info/clacton-on-s" target="_blank">http://www.plusbus.info/clacton-on-s</a> perhaps has a better display as it shows the individual stops and perhaps rather than having the area mapped we should add a naptan tag to the stop nodes (for signposted stops I tend to just add naptancode and atcocode for stops that are new since the original import, e.g.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4942644320" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4942644320</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Ed<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor blue;border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt"><div><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> SK53 <<a href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">sk53.osm@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 04 April 2019 16:17<br><b>To:</b> Andy Townsend <<a href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Removal of redundant NaPTAN data<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Like Andy I can find these useful, particularly as the ones on local PTE websites are very difficult to interpret. However, they suffer from the deficiencies of being a) unmaintained on OSM; b) not necessarily reflecting multiple bus pass zones; c) being fairly crude hulls of bus stops in the zone.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I quickly made <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Ng_payscalearea.png" target="_blank">this comparison</a> between the NAPTAN pay_scale_area (plusbuszone) for Nottingham (orange) and two concave hulls calculated with different parameters in QGIS (cyan (0.2) and blue (0.15)). All Naptan stops have a field imported into OSM as naptan:PlusbusZoneRef, that for Nottingham being NTNG which is what I used to identify bus stops for calculating the area.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thus providing information is held on bus stops or (tram & train stops) for a given transport zone these zones can be derived from other data in OSM, and indeed can be derived in such as way as to be more informative (e.g. excluding sea for coastal towns). It may be worth discussing other ways to store information about bus pass zones.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jerry<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 11:28, Andy Townsend <<a href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class="MsoNormal">On 04/04/2019 11:05, Philip Barnes wrote:<br>> I believe they were the zones covered by plusbus tickets.<br>><br>I believe (and Stuart will know far more about this than me!) they <br>predate the widescale adoption of PlusBus in the UK. Certainly when <br>PlusBus was introduced in Chesterfield it didn't match the existing pay <br>scale area, and since then neither current pay scale area (there is a <br>small and a large one) operated by the local monopoly bus company <br>matches the pay scale area that was in OSM before I deleted it.<br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Andy<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-GB mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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