<div dir="auto"><div>Fair enough, I agree that a wildflower meadow is a very pleasant place to be. However, I would still be more concerned to avoid the unpleasantness of walking through cropland where the path is variously ploughed under, utterly obscured by wheat or maize, or in the best case surfaced with heavy clay that clings to one's shoes or boots. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 24 May 2019, 16:22 Philip Barnes, <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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On Friday, 24 May 2019, SK53 wrote:<br>
> As a walker I appreciate walking through a real hay meadow full of<br>
> attractive flowers rather than a sterile green desert of rye grass. <br>
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And as a walker a real meadow is a very nice place to sit down and enjoy a relaxing lunch or coffee break.<br>
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Phil (trigpoint)<br>
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> Dudley Ibbett made this point long ago about the Peak District. The<br>
> difference is roughly equivalent to walking through a dark lifeless spruce<br>
> plantation and an ancient oak wood.<br>
> <br>
> As a naturalist these precious remnants are pretty much the only places<br>
> where many flowers, insects and birds are likely to be seen.<br>
> <br>
> Jerry<br>
> <br>
> On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 11:59, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB <<br>
> <a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > As a walker, the most important distinction in agricultural land (not<br>
> > including orchards) is whether it is tilled or otherwise reduced to bare<br>
> > earth, or whether grass is allowed to establish permanent root systems. How<br>
> > long or varied the grass is allowed to get really doesn't concern me,<br>
> > especially as that can change in a matter of months after a wet spring or<br>
> > an enthusiastic flock of sheep have been through. The exact terminology<br>
> > used doesn't really concern me, but where I grew up "meadow" was the<br>
> > colloquial term for pasture, even close cropped grass.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:07 AM Andy Townsend <<a href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> On 24/05/2019 10:43, Gregory Marler wrote:<br>
> >> > What is going on with landuse=farmland, and what are we going to do?<br>
> >> > <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland</a><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> With regard to tagging, I agree with a lot of what you say there, but I<br>
> >> suspect that the first thing to do is to talk to the wiki editor about<br>
> >> it. It may be that they thought that they were just changing the wiki<br>
> >> in line with actual usage, it may be that they've actually discussed it<br>
> >> with lots of other people elsewhere first (just not visible at first<br>
> >> glance to me).<br>
> >><br>
> >> For international tagging discussions the tagging list is probably the<br>
> >> best* mailing list, but it's probably worth also mentioning on the wiki<br>
> >> talk page for the tag too (and maybe the talk page for the wiki editor).<br>
> >><br>
> >> Best Regards,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Andy<br>
> >><br>
> >> * or maybe "least worst" - there's a discussion there about how terrible<br>
> >> mailing list discussions are compared to controlled spaces on the<br>
> >> tagging list at the moment - but that's more to do with what happens<br>
> >> when people who don't agree (and don't even agree how to talk about<br>
> >> things) encounter people who don't agree with each other.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
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