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naptan:verified=no dates back to the original import in 2009 and was there to indicate the bus stop needed surveying to verify its position- when a survey was done the process was for this tag to be deleted. Might be good to adopt this process here too?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Brian<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 at 16:10, Dave F via Talk-GB <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Please, please don't use public_transport=platform unless you're <br>
actually mapping an actual, physical, raised object, similar to railway <br>
platforms.<br>
<br>
'platform' has been misappropriated from the physical railway=platform <br>
by those who developed the PT schema to mean an arbitrary area of <br>
pavement that's somewhere, roughly near where a bus stops. In OSM we map <br>
*physical* objects only.<br>
<br>
It has now been regressed one stage further, being superfluously added <br>
to highway=bus_stop nodes. So much of the PT schema is just duplicating <br>
valid, existing data which leads to confusion & errors. It is a waste of <br>
time & effort.<br>
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if you're adding the bus stop & your source is naptan how can <br>
naptan:verified=no?<br>
<br>
DaveF<br>
<br>
<br>
On 02/07/2019 11:06, Ed Loach wrote:<br>
> David wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Given that few people like maintenance work, if you can't map all<br>
>> the<br>
>> stops from first principles, it is very unlikely that imported ones will<br>
>> get maintained. Retaining the NaPTAN tagging is important in<br>
>> allowing<br>
>> any later remerge of the updated NaPTAN data.<br>
> I've been regularly updating local bus route relations (all now upgraded to PT schema v2) in Tendring [1], Colchester [1] and Maldon [2] areas of Essex. This involves more maintenance than just the bus stops (which for Essex were imported some years ago). I've written a program to help me with this, comparing the opendata with the OSM data so I can work out what needs updating.<br>
><br>
> Occasionally I encounter a bus stop used by a bus route which wasn't imported previously. In these cases I add the stop from NaPTAN (based on their latitude and longitude) and add the tags:<br>
> highway=bus_stop<br>
> public_transport=platform<br>
> source=naptan<br>
> naptan:verified=no<br>
> name=(NaPTAN name)<br>
> naptan:AtcoCode=(whatever)<br>
> naptan:NaptanCode=(whatever)<br>
><br>
> If the bus stop type is not MKD I add<br>
><br>
> naptan:BusStopType=(bus stop type)<br>
><br>
> and if the status is not "act" I add<br>
><br>
> naptan:Status=(status)<br>
><br>
> This last one is very rare as I think it is only once that I've found a deleted bus stop still part of a bus route (the road had been diverted and new stops installed - the old stop was on what is now a cycle path).<br>
> <br>
>> Another problem with NaPTAN stops, which applies to non-OSM<br>
>> users as<br>
>> well is that they have virtual stops in Hail and Ride areas. Routers<br>
>> seem to only like people boarding at those place, so, in my case, can<br>
>> take me about 7 minutes out of my way against the direction of<br>
>> travel,<br>
>> so tell me I have missed a bus that could be easily caught.<br>
> I'll agree with this. I've been adding them at the NaPTAN location as described above if they aren't already in, but these are occasionally up cul-de-sacs (usually at the start or end of the route).<br>
><br>
> Ed<br>
><br>
> [1] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tendring(Essex)/Bus_Routes" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tendring(Essex)/Bus_Routes</a><br>
> [2] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maldon(Essex_District)/Bus_Routes" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maldon(Essex_District)/Bus_Routes</a><br>
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