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<p>I guess what we are trying to get out of this, is:</p>
<p>a) as a router, can i feel free to route "Joe Public" through here?</p>
<p>b) as a router, how much time penalty should i factor in for passing this gate?</p>
<p>Anything else?</p>
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<p>On 2019-07-26 12:58, Warin wrote:</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">To bring a little international perspective to this.<br /> <br /> In outback Australia the convention is "leave the gate as you found it". Unfortunately there are some who don't.<br /> To cope with this problem some gates are hung so that they close under gravity. <br /> To keep these open the farmer locks the gate open. Few people stop and try to close the gate, and are defeated by the lock anyway. <br /> <br /> So indicating that a gate is locked .. says little as to if it is open or closed to me. <br /> <br /> I think the 2 conditions need to be separated and not assumed;<br /> <br /> locked = yes/no<br /> <br /> closed = yes/no <br /> Not certain how to handle automatic - I think they are mostly <span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">automatically</span></span> closing only, some do both closing and opening and there is the possibility of <span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">automatically</span></span> opening only. Err some may have automatic lock features too... <br /> <br /> In addition some gates are fastened, but can be manually opened if you figure out the mechanism (some are quite inventive!). A problem I have found is on re-fastening these inventive mechanisms .. can take some time to remember it or reinvent it. Perhaps these should be called 'locked' and the above 'key_locked'??? <br /> <br /> On 26/07/19 20:26, Gareth L wrote:</div>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">This was discussed on the wiki <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate</a> with the suggestion of using a status tag. And was also discussed (9 years ago?!) <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html</a></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Tagging things as access=private does impact routing a lot, so I'd evaluate that use carefully.</p>
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<div class="PlainText">If a gate opens automatically I would say it's an access=yes regardless of how the way is tagged.<br /> <br /> Cheers<br /> Andy<br /> <br /> -----Original Message-----<br /> From: Stephen Colebourne [<a href="mailto:scolebourne@joda.org">mailto:scolebourne@joda.org</a>] <br /> Sent: 26 July 2019 10:47<br /> To: talk-gb OSM List<br /> Subject: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default<br /> <br /> I'd like to distinguish between two kinds of gate on private roads:<br /> <br /> - those where the gate is closed by default (eg automatic closing)<br /> - those where the gate is open by default (the gate exists, but is<br /> rarely if ever closed)<br /> <br /> Currently I'm marking both as barrier=gate & access=private, but I<br /> can't see an obvoius way to mark the open/closed by default aspect.<br /> One thought was to use access=permissive on those that are open (with<br /> the highway still access=private).<br /> <br /> Any suggestions?<br /> <br /> Stephen<br /> PS, I do want to mark the gate on the map even if it is always open<br /> <br /> _______________________________________________<br /> Talk-GB mailing list<br /> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br /> <br /> <br /> _______________________________________________<br /> Talk-GB mailing list<br /> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a></div>
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