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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">To bring a little international
perspective to this.<br>
<br>
In outback Australia the convention is "leave the gate as you
found it". Unfortunately there are some who don't.<br>
To cope with this problem some gates are hung so that they close
under gravity. <br>
To keep these open the farmer locks the gate open. Few people stop
and try to close the gate, and are defeated by the lock anyway. <br>
<br>
So indicating that a gate is locked .. says little as to if it is
open or closed to me. <br>
<br>
I think the 2 conditions need to be separated and not assumed;<br>
<br>
locked = yes/no<br>
<br>
closed = yes/no <br>
Not certain how to handle automatic - I think they are mostly <font
size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;">automatically</span></font>
closing only, some do both closing and opening and there is the
possibility of <font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;">automatically</span></font>
opening only. Err some may have automatic lock features too... <br>
<br>
In addition some gates are fastened, but can be manually opened if
you figure out the mechanism (some are quite inventive!). A
problem I have found is on re-fastening these inventive mechanisms
.. can take some time to remember it or reinvent it. Perhaps these
should be called 'locked' and the above 'key_locked'??? <br>
<br>
On 26/07/19 20:26, Gareth L wrote:<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">This was discussed on the wiki <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate</a> with the
suggestion of using a status tag. And was also discussed (9
years ago?!)
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href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html"
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https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html</a>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Tagging things as access=private does
impact routing a lot, so I’d evaluate that use carefully.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Gareth</p>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Andy
Robinson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ajrlists@gmail.com"><ajrlists@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 26, 2019 10:55:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Stephen Colebourne'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:scolebourne@joda.org"><scolebourne@joda.org></a>; 'talk-gb OSM List'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org"><talk-gb@openstreetmap.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default</font>
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<div class="PlainText">If a gate opens automatically I would
say it's an access=yes regardless of how the way is tagged.<br>
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Cheers<br>
Andy<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Stephen Colebourne [<a
href="mailto:scolebourne@joda.org" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:scolebourne@joda.org</a>]
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Sent: 26 July 2019 10:47<br>
To: talk-gb OSM List<br>
Subject: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default<br>
<br>
I'd like to distinguish between two kinds of gate on private
roads:<br>
<br>
- those where the gate is closed by default (eg automatic
closing)<br>
- those where the gate is open by default (the gate exists,
but is<br>
rarely if ever closed)<br>
<br>
Currently I'm marking both as barrier=gate &
access=private, but I<br>
can't see an obvoius way to mark the open/closed by default
aspect.<br>
One thought was to use access=permissive on those that are
open (with<br>
the highway still access=private).<br>
<br>
Any suggestions?<br>
<br>
Stephen<br>
PS, I do want to mark the gate on the map even if it is
always open<br>
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