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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">To bring a little international
      perspective to this.<br>
      <br>
      In outback Australia the convention is "leave the gate as you
      found it". Unfortunately there are some who don't.<br>
      To cope with this problem some gates are hung so that they close
      under gravity. <br>
      To keep these open the farmer locks the gate open. Few people stop
      and try to close the gate, and are defeated by the lock anyway. <br>
      <br>
      So indicating that a gate is locked .. says little as to if it is
      open or closed to me. <br>
      <br>
      I think the 2 conditions need to be separated and not assumed;<br>
      <br>
      locked = yes/no<br>
      <br>
      closed = yes/no <br>
      Not certain how to handle automatic - I think they are mostly <font
        size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;">automatically</span></font>
      closing only, some do both closing and opening and there is the
      possibility of <font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;">automatically</span></font>
      opening only. Err some may have automatic lock features too... <br>
      <br>
      In addition some gates are fastened, but can be manually opened if
      you figure out the mechanism (some are quite inventive!). A
      problem I have found is on re-fastening these inventive mechanisms
      .. can take some time to remember it or reinvent it. Perhaps these
      should be called 'locked' and the above 'key_locked'??? <br>
      <br>
      On 26/07/19 20:26, Gareth L wrote:<br>
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          <p class="x_MsoNormal">This was discussed on the wiki <a
              href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate</a> with the
            suggestion of using a status tag. And was also discussed (9
            years ago?!)
            <a
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html</a>
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          <p class="x_MsoNormal">Tagging things as access=private does
            impact routing a lot, so I’d evaluate that use carefully.</p>
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          <p class="x_MsoNormal">Gareth</p>
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            face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Andy
            Robinson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ajrlists@gmail.com"><ajrlists@gmail.com></a><br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 26, 2019 10:55:37 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> 'Stephen Colebourne'
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:scolebourne@joda.org"><scolebourne@joda.org></a>; 'talk-gb OSM List'
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org"><talk-gb@openstreetmap.org></a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default</font>
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          <div class="PlainText">If a gate opens automatically I would
            say it's an access=yes regardless of how the way is tagged.<br>
            <br>
            Cheers<br>
            Andy<br>
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            From: Stephen Colebourne [<a
              href="mailto:scolebourne@joda.org" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:scolebourne@joda.org</a>]
            <br>
            Sent: 26 July 2019 10:47<br>
            To: talk-gb OSM List<br>
            Subject: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default<br>
            <br>
            I'd like to distinguish between two kinds of gate on private
            roads:<br>
            <br>
            - those where the gate is closed by default (eg automatic
            closing)<br>
            - those where the gate is open by default (the gate exists,
            but is<br>
            rarely if ever closed)<br>
            <br>
            Currently I'm marking both as barrier=gate &
            access=private, but I<br>
            can't see an obvoius way to mark the open/closed by default
            aspect.<br>
            One thought was to use access=permissive on those that are
            open (with<br>
            the highway still access=private).<br>
            <br>
            Any suggestions?<br>
            <br>
            Stephen<br>
            PS, I do want to mark the gate on the map even if it is
            always open<br>
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