<div dir="ltr">Legal situation of leases, fixtures and fittings as far as I'm aware:<div>- Lease continues and rent continues to be payable.</div><div>- Liquidator can disclaim the lease, bringing all obligations to an end OR</div><div>- Once in arrears/other breach of covenant (such as keeping open for trade), landlord can deem the lease forfeit: property returns to them</div><div>- Once owed 7 days' rent (which could be many months hence if paid quarterly in advance), landlord has right to impound and liquidate fixtures and fittings to offset their losses, after some procedural safeguards. </div><div><br></div><div>But as SK53 says, eyeballs must be best.</div><div><br></div><div>Not a lawyer, just a geek who read this up as a charity trustee. Corrections gladly received.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 09:07, SK53 <<a href="mailto:sk53.osm@gmail.com">sk53.osm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I suspect the fixtures & fittings will be cleared out fairly pronto, although not the fascia signage. As the firm has been liquidated I presume all leases on retail property are now in default, and consequently null and void. Landlords will be anxious to get new tenants as quickly as possible, and are likely to clear the shops for that reason. (A certain amount of speculation on my part as I don't know what the actual legal situation with ownership of fixtures & fittings is in these circumstances). Ether way we can learn more by some on-the-ground surveys.</div><div><br></div><div>Phones 4U went into administration in September 2014, and their shops were cleared out of fittings pretty rapidly, although they remained as visible 'ghosts' on high streets for a long time afterwards.</div><div><br></div><div>A nice refinement of the shop=X => shop=vacant;disused:shop=yes would be to only go from name=Y to old_name=Y when the signage disappears. Frederic Rodrigo talked about pedestrian navigation by landmark at SotM, and prominent closed shops (and also pubs) are often useful landmarks. However, I think this is still a luxury for the average mapper trying to keep somewhere up-to-date.</div><div><br></div><div>Jerry</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 14:54, Chris Hill <<a href="mailto:osm@raggedred.net" target="_blank">osm@raggedred.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)">
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<p>Thomas Cook shops are not vacant. They may not be open to the
public today, but they may well be reopened by a new owner in the
future and that may even be under the Thomas Cook brand if the
administrator sells some or all of them to another company. In the
mean time they are still branded and still a landmark of sorts.</p>
<p>If a shop is emptied or reused by another firm then change that
one otherwise I think we should wait for a while to see what
happens. <br>
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<div dir="auto">I'm a fan of shop=vacant, old_name=Thomas Cook
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<div dir="auto">You could argue for not:name=Thomas Cook maybe</div>
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<div>I changed the three shops in N.I to
disused;shop=travel-agent since I wasn't sure what the
best practice was in this case. Not all of them had the
wiki links etc. Any advice on a better way?<br>
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