<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Verdana;">Is it worth adding this to Osmose and the other QA tools?<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div id="sig98312048"><div class="signature">---<br></div><div class="signature"><a href="https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain">https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain</a><br></div><div class="signature"><a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a><br></div></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div>On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, at 4:31 PM, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><div dir="ltr">Further to this - if you want to look for barrier=kerb + highway=crossing nodes in your area, which may be disrupting routing, the Overpass query is node["barrier"="kerb"]["highway"="crossing"] : <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/P5Y">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/P5Y</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div class="qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:20 PM Edward Catmur <<a href="mailto:ecatmur@googlemail.com">ecatmur@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;" class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Verdana;">Returning to the original issue, I think I've worked out what the problem is. It's that on a crossing node, kerb=* is fine (it describes the presence/attributes of the kerb on the subsidiary highway) but barrier=kerb should *not* be used. <span style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" class="colour"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size"></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div>Combining kerb=* with highway=crossing is blessed by Wiki:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;" class="qt-gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-family:sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:14px" class="size"> If the kerb is identical on both sides of a crossing, it is possible to add the </span></span><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace" class="font"><a style="text-decoration-line:inherit;text-decoration-style:inherit;text-decoration-color:inherit;text-decoration-thickness:inherit;color:inherit;background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-attachment:scroll;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;font-weight:bold;">kerb</a>=*</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:14px" class="size"> tag to the </span></span><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace" class="font"><a style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11, 0, 128);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-attachment:scroll;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;" title="Key:highway" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway">highway</a>=<a style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11, 0, 128);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-attachment:scroll;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;" title="Tag:highway=crossing" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcrossing">crossing</a></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:14px" class="size"> node, which sacrifices accuracy for simplicity, consider using kerb:left and kerb:right if the kerbs differ.</span></span> <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>but this doesn't say that barrier=kerb should be included on the crossing node! <br></div><div><br></div><div>I think barrier=kerb + highway=crossing should be regarded as a mistake. Taginfo shows ~ 1000 of them (0.47 of barrier=kerb nodes; 0.03% of highway=crossing nodes) which should fixable.<br></div></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div class="qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:37 PM Philip Barnes <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;" class="qt-gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:Verdana;">On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, David Woolley wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > On 18/12/2019 13:31, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > > That said, the same goes for cars - other than the lowest bodied sports <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > > cars, pretty much all motor vehicles are capable of taking a kerb at low <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > > speed.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > Although raised kerbs are generally there to stop that happening and the <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > resultant trespass on the footway can be illegal, e.g. in London. As <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > such routers should not be routing motor vehicles over kerbs.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> Its a level of detail that few of us have mapped, but it is perfectly acceptable, and quite common, to route motor vehicles over lowered kerbs to access private property. <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> Phil (trigpoint)<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> _______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > <a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> > <a rel="noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> -- <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> Sent from my Sailfish device<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> _______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> <a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"> <a rel="noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div>Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb<br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div></body></html>