<div dir="ltr">Good idea - I've added a pull request to Osmose
<a href="https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/pull/714">https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/pull/714</a> - please take a look and weigh in if you think it could be improved.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:47 PM Ken Kilfedder <<a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u><div><div style="font-family:Verdana">Is it worth adding this to Osmose and the other QA tools?<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"><br></div><div id="gmail-m_4379784249073724650sig98312048"><div>---<br></div><div><a href="https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain" target="_blank">https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain</a><br></div><div><a href="mailto:spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk" target="_blank">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk</a><br></div></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"><br></div><div>On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, at 4:31 PM, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="gmail-m_4379784249073724650qt"><div dir="ltr">Further to this - if you want to look for barrier=kerb + highway=crossing nodes in your area, which may be disrupting routing, the Overpass query is node["barrier"="kerb"]["highway"="crossing"] : <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/P5Y" target="_blank">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/P5Y</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:20 PM Edward Catmur <<a href="mailto:ecatmur@googlemail.com" target="_blank">ecatmur@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Verdana">Returning to the original issue, I think I've worked out what the problem is. It's that on a crossing node, kerb=* is fine (it describes the presence/attributes of the kerb on the subsidiary highway) but barrier=kerb should *not* be used. <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style="font-size:13px"></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div>Combining kerb=* with highway=crossing is blessed by Wiki:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"> If the kerb is identical on both sides of a crossing, it is possible to add the </span></span><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><a style="text-decoration:inherit;color:inherit;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;font-weight:bold">kerb</a>=*</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"> tag to the </span></span><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><a style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box" title="Key:highway" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" target="_blank">highway</a>=<a style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box" title="Tag:highway=crossing" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcrossing" target="_blank">crossing</a></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"> node, which sacrifices accuracy for simplicity, consider using kerb:left and kerb:right if the kerbs differ.</span></span> <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>but this doesn't say that barrier=kerb should be included on the crossing node! <br></div><div><br></div><div>I think barrier=kerb + highway=crossing should be regarded as a mistake. Taginfo shows ~ 1000 of them (0.47 of barrier=kerb nodes; 0.03% of highway=crossing nodes) which should fixable.<br></div></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:37 PM Philip Barnes <<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" target="_blank">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Verdana">On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, David Woolley wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > On 18/12/2019 13:31, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > > That said, the same goes for cars - other than the lowest bodied sports <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > > cars, pretty much all motor vehicles are capable of taking a kerb at low <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > > speed.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > Although raised kerbs are generally there to stop that happening and the <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > resultant trespass on the footway can be illegal, e.g. in London. As <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > such routers should not be routing motor vehicles over kerbs.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> Its a level of detail that few of us have mapped, but it is perfectly acceptable, and quite common, to route motor vehicles over lowered kerbs to access private property. <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> Phil (trigpoint)<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> _______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > <a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> > <a rel="noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> -- <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> Sent from my Sailfish device<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> _______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> <a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana"> <a rel="noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:Verdana"><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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