<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I asked similar questions about 6 months ago: <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2019-September/023452.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2019-September/023452.html</a>,</div><div>and there are other discussions going back some 10 years: <a href="http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=5167127&query=showground&n=5167127">http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=5167127&query=showground&n=5167127</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jerry</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 at 09:58, Mark Goodge <<a href="mailto:mark@good-stuff.co.uk">mark@good-stuff.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Morning all,<br>
<br>
Someone has commented on a change I made to the Three Counties <br>
showground last year when I changed the tagging to landuse=grass rather <br>
than landuse=commercial. Their suggestion is that it really ought to be <br>
landuse=recreation_ground, with a secondary tag of surface=grass.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74103491#map=16/52.0834/-2.3235" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74103491#map=16/52.0834/-2.3235</a><br>
<br>
I've responded to that comment on the changeset, but I thought it would <br>
be worth throwing out here as well.<br>
<br>
I do think that tagging showgrounds as landuse=commercial is generally <br>
incorrect; it doesn't match the description of 'commercial' in the wiki <br>
and doesn't reflect the typical uses of showgrounds both when a show is <br>
on and when one isn't.<br>
<br>
The reason I tagged the Three Counties showground as grass is because, <br>
most of the year, that's precisely what it is - an open area of <br>
grassland. Unless there is an event on (which only happens for a <br>
minority of days in a year) it is just an open space.<br>
<br>
Looking at a few other showgrounds across the country, we don't seem to <br>
have any consistency.<br>
<br>
The East of England Showground is tagged as landuse=recreation_ground:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.5456/-0.3170" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.5456/-0.3170</a><br>
<br>
The Suffolk Showground is tagged as a park:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.0330/1.2277" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.0330/1.2277</a><br>
<br>
So is the Staffordshire County Showgound:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.8255/-2.0643" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.8255/-2.0643</a><br>
<br>
The former Royal Showground at Stoneleigh is tagged as commercial, but <br>
in that case that's probably now correct as it's no longer used as a <br>
showground and is gradually being redeveloped as a business park:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3435/-1.5220" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3435/-1.5220</a><br>
<br>
The Great Yorkshire Showground isn't tagged as an area at all, just a <br>
network of roads and individual features:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/53.9830/-1.5065" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/53.9830/-1.5065</a><br>
<br>
Similarly with the Norfolk Showground<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.6490/1.1793" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.6490/1.1793</a><br>
<br>
And the Bath and West Showground:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.1552/-2.5265" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.1552/-2.5265</a><br>
<br>
So, what do people think? Personally, I think that showgrounds ought to <br>
be tagged as an area, because they do, typically, have clear boundaries <br>
and are distinct from their surrounding context. But I'm less sure what <br>
the area should be tagged as. I think commercial is usually wrong, for <br>
the reasons I've already given, but I can see an argument for either <br>
grass, recreation_ground or even park.<br>
<br>
Thoughts, anyone?<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
<br>
<br>
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