<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Verdana;">The one in Builth Wells has various component parts marked as sportsgrounds, but the general area is marked as "amenity=festival grounds". The wiki says that festival grounds are "A permanent open field facility which is mostly used for public events and festivals." and gives the example of some song festival spaces in the Baltics.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><ul><li style="font-family:Verdana;">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=festival%20grounds?uselang=en-GB<br></li><li style="font-family:Verdana;">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/93280648#map=16/52.1574/-3.4031<br></li></ul><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">---<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">spiregrain_osm@ksglp.org.uk<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">On Mon, 24 Feb 2020, at 11:33 AM, Philip Barnes wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> The West Midlands showgroung is tagged as amenity=showground.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> Phil (trigpoint)<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> On Monday, 24 February 2020, SK53 wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > I asked similar questions about 6 months ago:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2019-September/023452.html<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ,<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > and there are other discussions going back some 10 years:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=5167127&query=showground&n=5167127<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > Jerry<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 at 09:58, Mark Goodge <mark@good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > Morning all,<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > Someone has commented on a change I made to the Three Counties<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > showground last year when I changed the tagging to landuse=grass rather<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > than landuse=commercial. Their suggestion is that it really ought to be<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > landuse=recreation_ground, with a secondary tag of surface=grass.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74103491#map=16/52.0834/-2.3235<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > I've responded to that comment on the changeset, but I thought it would<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > be worth throwing out here as well.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > I do think that tagging showgrounds as landuse=commercial is generally<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > incorrect; it doesn't match the description of 'commercial' in the wiki<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > and doesn't reflect the typical uses of showgrounds both when a show is<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > on and when one isn't.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > The reason I tagged the Three Counties showground as grass is because,<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > most of the year, that's precisely what it is - an open area of<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > grassland. Unless there is an event on (which only happens for a<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > minority of days in a year) it is just an open space.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > Looking at a few other showgrounds across the country, we don't seem to<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > have any consistency.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > The East of England Showground is tagged as landuse=recreation_ground:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.5456/-0.3170<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > The Suffolk Showground is tagged as a park:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.0330/1.2277<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > So is the Staffordshire County Showgound:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.8255/-2.0643<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > The former Royal Showground at Stoneleigh is tagged as commercial, but<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > in that case that's probably now correct as it's no longer used as a<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > showground and is gradually being redeveloped as a business park:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3435/-1.5220<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > The Great Yorkshire Showground isn't tagged as an area at all, just a<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > network of roads and individual features:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/53.9830/-1.5065<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > Similarly with the Norfolk Showground<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.6490/1.1793<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > And the Bath and West Showground:<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.1552/-2.5265<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > So, what do people think? Personally, I think that showgrounds ought to<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > be tagged as an area, because they do, typically, have clear boundaries<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > and are distinct from their surrounding context. But I'm less sure what<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > the area should be tagged as. I think commercial is usually wrong, for<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > the reasons I've already given, but I can see an argument for either<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > grass, recreation_ground or even park.<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > Thoughts, anyone?<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > Mark<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > _______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> > ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> ><br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> -- <br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> Sent from my Sailfish device<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> _______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> Talk-GB mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb<br></div><div style="font-family:Verdana;">><br></div></body></html>