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<p>Hi</p>
<p>The data file sent by Lancs CC contained the District Number,
Parish Number, Type, District Name, Parish Name plus coordinates
list. <br>
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<p>The first entry in the kml file is</p>
<p> <ExtendedData><SchemaData
schemaUrl="#PROW_Shapefile"><br>
<SimpleData name="OBJECTID_1">33</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData name="OBJECTID_2">120</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData
name="OBJECTID">16470.00000000</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData
name="PATH_TYPE">Footpath</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData
name="PATH_NUMBE">18.00000000</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData name="CORE">yes</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData
name="DISTRICT">BURNLEY</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData name="PARISH">HAPTON</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData
name="DIST_NO">12.00000000</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData
name="PARISH_NO">7.00000000</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData name="PATH_LABEL">FP
18</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData name="LABEL2">12-7-FP
18</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData
name="PROW_URL"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lccmapzone/mapzone/asp/prow/general.aspx?path=FP18&dis=12&par=7">http://lccmapzone/mapzone/asp/prow/general.aspx?path=FP18&dis=12&par=7</a></SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData name="IMS_SYMBOL">FP</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData name="SHAPE_FID">120</SimpleData><br>
<SimpleData
name="SHAPE_LEN">768.56943096600</SimpleData><br>
</SchemaData></ExtendedData><br>
<LineString><coordinates>-2.27639184743805,53.772975749866191
-2.276419499154496,53.773014353403141
-2.276473919958041,53.773056738569473
-2.276547825688409,53.773102501481461
-2.276629364748936,53.773140809891281 .......</p>
<p>The data does contain the relevant information in this case
Hapton FP 18. Some people used the LABEL2 field 12-7-FP-18 which
is easier to grab for display - but the point is that Lancs CC
have provided both formats.<br>
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<p>I have shared a list of District & Parish names and numbers.</p>
<p>Rob has an experimental map & tool of Lancashire showing the
format of Parish Type Number - which I have found to be very
useful recently in labelling PROW's in my district 9. (Didn't know
that Judge Dredd came to Chorley!). I understand that Rob will
make that experimental map widely available if people agree to the
Lancashire format, as his tool also checks for well formed PROW
refs, correct lengths, and completeness of implementation of the
PROW set per parish.<br>
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<p>We have the data from Lancs CC - we need to agree the best way to
use it, and only the ref is stopping that.<br>
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<p>Regards</p>
<p>Tony Shield</p>
<p>TonyS999<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/05/2020 09:07, nathan case wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
have a slightly dissenting view (assuming parish means
parish name).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">At
least in Lancashire’s case, I think the use of the numerical
ID in place of the parish name should be acceptable. The
numerical parish ID is what is used on the council’s own
PROW map – as well as the open data they released (and thus
the easiest to import into OSM). It would be unrealistic to
expect mappers to then cross-check the parish ID with a
name, especially since that data is not (as far as I’m
aware) easily (openly?) available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Of
course, if third party sites want to then use lookup tables
to convert parish ID into parish name, then that would be
perfectly acceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
general format (parish ID/name, PROW type, number) I
support.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> Tony OSM <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tonyosm9@gmail.com"><tonyosm9@gmail.com></a>
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<b>Sent:</b> 10 May 2020 12:29<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Lancashire prow_ref format
(Was: Public Rights of Way - legal vs reality)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I agree with Adam. In the published path orders fixed to
lamposts etc the written description includes parish, type,
number. Sometimes in that order sometimes type, number,
parish. There is no consistency.
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<p>Parish, type, number is likely to be understood by every user
of OSM and I have used it in communication with Lancs CC who
appear to understand it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>TonyS999<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/05/2020 12:03, Adam Snape wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There was a discussion on this list
about this not long ago. I agree with Rob's preference
for parish, type, number as it is more idiomatic and
reflects how the routes are most commonly actually
referred to in communication. As Rob noted, the council
doesn't use the numeric references with any consistency
even within its own electronic systems (with the format
on the online map being at variance with the underlying
dataset). I can confirm that neither the definitive maps
nor statements for Lancashire use any such references.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Adam<o:p></o:p></p>
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