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<p>Hi</p>
<p>I had the Lancashire KML file handy (as you do), looked up JOSM
import and found the OpenData plug in. Dropped the KML file onto
the plug in and it created a lancashire.kml layer with all of the
ways on the layer and the kml fields as tags.</p>
<p>When combined with OSM data and ESRI imagery it provides a really
useful view of the footpaths. I have a paint style which picks out
some PROW types which allows me to see what is in osm and what
isn't. So I can do some manual editing. <br>
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<p>From the kml layer I have all the data to determine the Parish,
Type & PROW ref - that is manual tag editing. <br>
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<p>This view does allow me to see existing paths and PROW's and
manually determine what mapping I can do.</p>
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<p>Overlaying kml onto the imagery has already helped me to see a
path I was confused about - where it actually went. I'll be able
to go out and survey soon.</p>
<p>JOSM in the Edit dropdown has a Merge layer capability - I think
this should be avoided at all costs as that would constitute an
unmanaged data import of the whole of the KML file - an OSM
disaster.</p>
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<p>Adding a GPS layer will make this an awesome toolkit.</p>
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<p>Tony<br>
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Hello Tony and Gareth,</div>
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My main thought was a specialised JOSM plugin - I did take a
look at OSM's main GPX trace facility but it appears not to
preserve tags in the uploaded trace. Some versions of the
MapThePaths app (the first version, and the current version on
Gitlab) allow GPX upload to OSM but the tags are removed.</div>
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So I'm thinking that my own storage (I have quite a bit of
available storage) and a custom JOSM plugin, which, for example,
creates colour-coded and clickable traces showing the ROW
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Thanks,</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-GB] Rights of way mapping - making
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<div dir="ltr">I wonder if it would be possible to use the GPS
trace feature on OSM for this? Maybe format the name in a way
to make it easier to retrieve?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Takes care of the storage of the traces.</div>
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<p>Hi Nick</p>
<p>I like the two stage approach - surveying then mapping.
It would work well - some of my friends like walking but
can't map to save their life, whereas I can't walk far but
love mapping - Win Win for us all.</p>
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<p>May I suggest that a layer be created for JOSM with all
the paths and their details as provided for MapThePaths.
Personally I find it easier to work with JOSM and I have
learnt to create a style to highlight PROW's, but I don't
know how to create a JOSM layer.</p>
<p>Separate layers would allow us to manually transfer from
PROW layer to MAP layer thus avoiding the mechanical
import rules, and would allow us to manually conflate
where a path is already mapped but PROW data is absent.</p>
<p>A layer containing the surveyed GPS data so that all the
sources we need are available would be awesome.</p>
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<p>I may be asking for a workflow that is close to existing,
if that is the case I am able to test and document the
workflow for the UK wiki if that would be helpful.</p>
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<p>Tony Shield <br>
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<p>TonyS999<br>
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"They [the non-expert user] select ROW type and path
surface via a nice interface, and then a tagged GPX
trace is generated, *with trksegs tagged with ROW
designation and surface* (which was done by the first
version of the app anyway). This is then uploaded to the
MapThePaths server, and volunteer expert users *are
alerted*. Said expert user then downloads the GPX trace
and, *using the tags in the trksegs of the GPX* then
edits in JOSM, perhaps via a JOSM plugin - or even
directly in the MapThePaths web app. (I am possibly
thinking of adding way creation into the MapThePaths web
app anyway, time depending)."<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> 13 May 2020 18:08<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Rights of way mapping - making it easy
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>Just to continue with the theme of rights of way
mapping, I've been noticing that there are still large
tracts of England and Wales away from the 'honeypot'
areas with little or now ROW mapping at all meaning
there's still quite a big job to be done.</div>
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<div>As you may remember I have been developing a
companion app to MapThePaths. In the first version of
this (around two years ago) I experimented with
auto-converting GPX traces to OSM ways. However I was
dissatisfied with the results, the ways generated were
really rather nasty and I ended up having to prettify
them significantly in JOSM afterwards, rendering the
auto-creation facility a little pointless.
Consequently later versions of the app have focused on
merely presenting the council and OSM data overlaid
(like the website), with only limited editing
facilities, to change the designation of a path.</div>
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<div>However (and I may have mentioned this before, it's
been a while) I am wondering about a 'two-user'
approach in which a new user merely does the GPX
survey, using an easy to use UI (a refined version of
the MapThePaths app with the UI re-designed by someone
more versed in UX than myself).</div>
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<div>They select ROW type and path surface via a nice
interface, and then a tagged GPX trace is generated
(which was done by the first version of the app
anyway). This is then uploaded to the MapThePaths
server, and volunteer expert users. Said expert user
then downloads the GPX trace and then edits in JOSM,
perhaps via a JOSM plugin - or even directly in the
MapThePaths web app. (I am possibly thinking of adding
way creation into the MapThePaths web app anyway, time
depending).</div>
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<div>Any thoughts?</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Nick</div>
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