<div dir="auto"><div>I don't think it can be a barrier value because we need to record what kind of barrier it is, such as gate, swing gate or bollard (or planter which is undocumented but in use)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Two of the modal_filter are mine, and some people are objecting in comments. I do think modal_filter=yes is too narrow, as I'd really like to cover school streets.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't think it can be traffic_restriction because a road could be "no stopping" and a school Street for example.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Stephen</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 19:16 Dan S, <<a href="mailto:danstowell%2Bosm@gmail.com">danstowell+osm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi<br>
<br>
That could be a good idea.<br>
<br>
How about barrier=modal_filter? Using barrier=* we might expect it to<br>
be on the barrier itself (e.g. a row of bollards/planters), perhaps<br>
less appropriate if a whole street area with camera-based enforcement.<br>
But, after all, they're all intended as a barrier to some forms of<br>
traffic.<br>
<br>
In what sense is traffic_restriction "taken"? I see there are plenty<br>
of "traffic_restriction=no_stopping" tagged. Could this sit alongside?<br>
<br>
BTW, according to taginfo, in the UK there are 4 "modal_filter=yes"<br>
and various notes/descriptions mentioning "modal" that could be a good<br>
way to find examples:<br>
<a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=modal#keys" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=modal#keys</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Dan<br>
<br>
Op ma 21 sep. 2020 om 18:21 schreef Stephen Colebourne <<a href="mailto:scolebourne@joda.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">scolebourne@joda.org</a>>:<br>
><br>
> Given we have hundreds of existing and new modal filters* and school<br>
> streets**, I think we could do with having a *high level* tag for them<br>
> that captures the concept.<br>
><br>
> Currently, these are hard to find as they can be represented in many<br>
> ways. eg. for modal filters:<br>
> - highway=cycleway<br>
> - highwat=footway<br>
> - highway=service/residential with motor_vehicle=no<br>
> - plus potential associated barrier=xxx<br>
><br>
> School streets are no more than a motor_vehicle:conditional=no @ (xxx)<br>
> which again loses the semantic meaning.<br>
><br>
> What I'd like is a new tag that captures the high level concept. It<br>
> would be a bit like traffic_calming, but I don't think that adding<br>
> more values to that is appropriate. Any new value would go on the way<br>
> that is no longer open. These are generally verifiable on the ground,<br>
> even for filters that were added in the 1970s.<br>
><br>
> Unfortunately, I don't have a great name. "traffic_restrictions" is<br>
> taken as is "traffic_control". My best suggestion is<br>
> "traffic_intervention=modal_filter"/"school_street", as they are<br>
> essentially interventions by local government to better manage the<br>
> street space.<br>
><br>
> Any thoughts?<br>
> Stephen<br>
><br>
> * a "modal filter" is a place where the road is closed, or made one<br>
> way for the purposes of controlling traffic, such as to stop rat<br>
> running. It is commonly linked to Low Traffic Neighbourhoods (LTNs)<br>
> but they have been around for 50 years, and are generally easy to<br>
> spot.<br>
><br>
> ** a "school street" is a street that is only accessible by residents<br>
> at school drop-off and pick-up time<br>
><br>
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