<div dir="auto">I believe that the Listed Buildings refs are fairly old. The whole thing might warrant a revisit, and perhaps a Quarterly Project?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would be happy for a new-style ref:GB:he (or similar) and an automated edit. After discussion obviously.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 20:57 Dave Dunford, <<a href="mailto:dunford.dave@gmail.com">dunford.dave@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    The most logical and consistent scheme would seem to me to be -
    contrary to <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status#England" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Key:listed_status</a>
    and established consensus:<br>
    <br>
        <<b>heritage</b>_status=Scheduled Monument> (which would
    also work for <heritage_status=Grade I>, etc.)<br>
        <ref:he=*> (in line with other numeric referencing
    systems; my understanding is that HE don't use any other number
    systems, though you sometimes see their pre-NHLE numbers quoted,
    which could be tagged appropriately)<br>
    <br>
    <listed_status=Scheduled Monument> feels internally
    contradictory.<br>
    <HE_ref=*> is inconsistent with other referencing schemes.<br>
    <br>
    But it's an awfully well-established consensus...<br>
    <br>
    Incidentally, some structures are both Listed Buildings and
    Scheduled Monuments (notably crosses and bridges, in my experience),
    or you get Listed Buildings (defined by HE as a single point) within
    scheduled monuments (defined by HE as an area). Yours is a case in
    point: the Priory building is a Grade I listed building
    (<a href="https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1062210" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1062210</a>)
    and the Priory Farmhouse is Grade II
    (<a href="https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1360390" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1360390</a>)
    and both are within the area defined as a scheduled monument.<br>
    <br>
    Third observation - whatever we do, we should t call them "Scheduled
    Monuments" as HE do, rather than the dated "Scheduled Ancient
    Monuments" (quite a lot of them - e.g. Victorian lead mines in my
    part of the world - aren't that ancient).<br>
    <br>
    Dave<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status#England" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"></a>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 26/09/2020 13:43, Edward Bainton
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi all
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        <div>I'd like to map St Leonard's Priory, Stamford, Lincs:</div>
        <div><a href="https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1007690" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1007690</a><br>
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        <div><br>
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        <div>This is a 'scheduled monument'.</div>
        <div>
          <ol>
            <li>The wiki is a bit inconsistent on <b>how to tag</b>
              this. </li>
            <ol>
              <li><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status#England" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Key:listed_status</a> suggests
                I should tag it <listed_status=Scheduled
                Monument>. </li>
              <li>The table at <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Key:HE_ref</a> would suggest
                that may not be the right tag, as
                <listed_status=*> is only given for listed
                buildings - a different legal category.</li>
              <li>I've found plenty of the former in the map, so I'm
                assuming that's correct and the table at HE_ref needs
                amplifying<br>
                <br>
              </li>
            </ol>
            <li>I've also got a puzzle about <b>how to give the ref.
                number</b>. </li>
            <ol>
              <li><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status#England" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Key:listed_status</a> invites
                me to use <HE_ref=*>. </li>
              <li><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:heritage#England" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Key:heritage</a> invites me to
                use <ref:he=*> <br>
                <br>
                I've tried using overpass-turbo to get relative
                frequencies of those two tags. I get the following (for
                most but not all of England, so ymmv: north of ~Barnard
                Castle not in my bounding box, but that wasn't a
                political decision...).  <br>
                <br>
                I can't interpret it fully, but it looks like ref:he may
                be worth deleting from the wiki as obsolete?<br>
                <br>
                <i><b>HE_ref=*</b></i><br>
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              </li>
            </ol>
          </ol>
          <div style="text-align:left"><font face="Helvetica Neue,
              Helvetica, Arial" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12px;white-space:nowrap">Thanks for any
                help.</span></font></div>
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        <div style="text-align:left"><font face="Helvetica Neue,
            Helvetica, Arial" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12px;white-space:nowrap">Edward / eteb3</span></font></div>
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